The great 2020 election thread....

[Admiral X]

I hope Ron Paul runs again. He probably won't, but one can always dream.

[Yukaphile]

Thank God he won't. Nowadays Libertarians, at least from my experience with my young eighteen-year-old friend, seem to be Republican Lite.

[Admiral X]

So based on a sample of one, you've decided that a group that is in fact split into many different factions to be one monolithic group that is actually just part of another group - got it.

[Yukaphile]

Why is it Libertarians besides him also seem to frequently ally with the GOP, despite their attempts to undermine democracy and replacing individualism with authoritarianism?

[Karha of Honor]

I do know the idea of embracing Sanders and his brand of politics is poison. I saw this in 2016, and it's why Clinton rode the wave to victory. If he tries to run again, he'll lose. They need to back off from that, or we'll lose again. Many older voters I knew who are still around compare him to Trump, a greedy old con man.

Hillary is not poison?

Compared to Sanders? No. I mean despite being in my 20s I have a deep distrust of Sanders because I have a feeling that he's willing to throw minorities, like myself, under the bus. I also feel that in practice his policy on immigration would be little different from Trump's.

He would throw minorities under the bus based on?

Based on the fact that he views class as a more important factor than race. And every time we tackle poverty simply based on class without factoring in race we see it leave poor minorities in no better a position than they were before. And while I don't think he realizes it, I think a significant minority of his support base (Bernie-Trump voters) do and support him in part or in whole for that reason.

What makes you so sure you have the luxury to tackle both at the same time?

Why is it Libertarians besides him also seem to frequently ally with the GOP, despite their attempts to undermine democracy and replacing individualism with authoritarianism?

How frequently and how significant is that frequency?

[Karha of Honor]

I do know the idea of embracing Sanders and his brand of politics is poison. I saw this in 2016, and it's why Clinton rode the wave to victory. If he tries to run again, he'll lose. They need to back off from that, or we'll lose again. Many older voters I knew who are still around compare him to Trump, a greedy old con man.

Hillary is not poison?

Compared to Sanders? No. I mean despite being in my 20s I have a deep distrust of Sanders because I have a feeling that he's willing to throw minorities, like myself, under the bus. I also feel that in practice his policy on immigration would be little different from Trump's.

He would throw minorities under the bus based on?

Based on the fact that he views class as a more important factor than race. And every time we tackle poverty simply based on class without factoring in race we see it leave poor minorities in no better a position than they were before. And while I don't think he realizes it, I think a significant minority of his support base (Bernie-Trump voters) do and support him in part or in whole for that reason.

Why should i think that the first 2 sentences are true?

Soound absurdly definitive.

Yeah, my own Socialist friend from Peru admits Sanders is "too conservative" to be a real comrade. And that you need to focus on "intersectionality." I also like how your list was two men and one woman. God, with attitudes like this, we are never going to get a female President. I also hate the blatant age-ism that's on display. Yes, Sanders and Biden are both too old, but it's not that they're bodies are old, it's that they themselves have a very "old" attitude. Some people are old men in their twenties. Being "old," as I define it, is being stubborn, inflexible, and set in your ways, which they are. I wouldn't mind if Warren or Harris won. It's also interesting you didn't include Harris in that list despite being a minority, but then you didn't include Brooker either. Are you a Latino by chance? I'm afraid I'm as white Caucasian as I can get, and live a privileged life, so as poor as I get, Trump's policies don't hurt me, sad to say.

If i talked to the best political operatives of this and the last century how many of them would say focus on Intersectionality?

I am not going to redefine old for your sake thanks. I stick with years and instead of ideological horseshit.

[Draco Dracul]

I do know the idea of embracing Sanders and his brand of politics is poison. I saw this in 2016, and it's why Clinton rode the wave to victory. If he tries to run again, he'll lose. They need to back off from that, or we'll lose again. Many older voters I knew who are still around compare him to Trump, a greedy old con man.

Hillary is not poison?

Compared to Sanders? No. I mean despite being in my 20s I have a deep distrust of Sanders because I have a feeling that he's willing to throw minorities, like myself, under the bus. I also feel that in practice his policy on immigration would be little different from Trump's.

He would throw minorities under the bus based on?

Based on the fact that he views class as a more important factor than race. And every time we tackle poverty simply based on class without factoring in race we see it leave poor minorities in no better a position than they were before. And while I don't think he realizes it, I think a significant minority of his support base (Bernie-Trump voters) do and support him in part or in whole for that reason.

What makes you so sure you have the luxury to tackle both at the same time?

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

I hope Ron Paul runs again. He probably won't, but one can always dream.

I do too I could use a laugh. Then again my opinions of libertarianism is absurdly low as a view it as a political philosophy built around giving people so much freedom that you can turn most of them into slaves.

[CmdrKing]

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

I'd add on to that...

There is no picking or prioritization. Socialism without racial justice is merely creating a new form of second class. Racial justice without socialism is merely plucking a token representation of racial minorities to join the ruling class while leaving the vast majority of minorities as bad (or more likely worse) off as before. Doing either without the other is inherently self-defeating, and exacerbating the tension between them is why it's impossible to fully trust Sanders and most others of the DSA persuasion I've encountered OR the typical #Resistance Democrat.

[Antiboyscout]

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

Throwing working class whites under the bus did the Democrats no favors. You better hope that Trump doesn't bring any more union or Catholic voters under his wing, or he will start eating into your pool of mexicans. Then where will you be?

[Draco Dracul]

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

Throwing working class whites under the bus did the Democrats no favors. You better hope that Trump doesn't bring any more union or Catholic voters under his wing, or he will start eating into your pool of mexicans. Then where will you be?

One, considering the GOP just lost state wide elecitons in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, the chance of Trump being able to get more out those states is unlikely, espeically since he has net disapproval in all three states.

Two, turning out more of a shrinking demographic is a losing strategy, and there are going to be fewer WWC voters in 2020 compared to 2016.

Three, Trump is actively costing the GOP White College Educated voters. Among other things it's resulted in the loss of every single Republican held house seat in Orange county.

Four, the WWC voters through themselves under the bus by voting for a corrupt business man running for the party of union busters.