The great 2020 election thread....

[Antiboyscout]

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

Throwing working class whites under the bus did the Democrats no favors. You better hope that Trump doesn't bring any more union or Catholic voters under his wing, or he will start eating into your pool of mexicans. Then where will you be?

One, considering the GOP just lost state wide elecitons in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, the chance of Trump being able to get more out those states is unlikely, espeically since he has net disapproval in all three states.

Two, turning out more of a shrinking demographic is a losing strategy, and there are going to be fewer WWC voters in 2020 compared to 2016.

Three, Trump is actively costing the GOP White College Educated voters. Among other things it's resulted in the loss of every single Republican held house seat in Orange county.

Four, the WWC voters through themselves under the bus by voting for a corrupt business man running for the party of union busters.

Want to know how the Republicans busted those unions? They imported cheep Mexican labor that the unions couldn't compete with. After Regan started this policy the Democrats decided to run with it.

Collage educated voters are increasingly Millennial voters. They are the most educated generation in America. Trump didn't turn them off. Their liberal collage professors did.

Demographic trends are not fate. Only if you make them so. You better hope whites don't form a voting block like blacks or mexicans.

[Draco Dracul]

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

Throwing working class whites under the bus did the Democrats no favors. You better hope that Trump doesn't bring any more union or Catholic voters under his wing, or he will start eating into your pool of mexicans. Then where will you be?

One, considering the GOP just lost state wide elecitons in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, the chance of Trump being able to get more out those states is unlikely, espeically since he has net disapproval in all three states.

Two, turning out more of a shrinking demographic is a losing strategy, and there are going to be fewer WWC voters in 2020 compared to 2016.

Three, Trump is actively costing the GOP White College Educated voters. Among other things it's resulted in the loss of every single Republican held house seat in Orange county.

Four, the WWC voters through themselves under the bus by voting for a corrupt business man running for the party of union busters.

Want to know how the Republicans busted those unions? They imported cheep Mexican labor that the unions couldn't compete with. After Regan started this policy the Democrats decided to run with it.

Collage educated voters are increasingly Millennial voters. They are the most educated generation in America. Trump didn't turn them off. Their liberal collage professors did.

Demographic trends are not fate. Only if you make them so. You better hope whites don't form a voting block like blacks or mexicans.

No they busted unions through labor laws that made it more difficult for unions to function and undercut their ability to perform collective bargaining. Immigration is basically irrelevant to the unions as migrant agriculture, and general construction work have never been unionized.

The college educated voters that wiped out the Orange country republicans aren't millennials, they are 40 something professionals that are turned off by Trump's identity politics and failed to see significant gains from his tax plan.

And Trump has made sure that the Mexicans, Blacks, and the educated aren't going to give the republicans another look for a generation.

[Karha of Honor]

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

I'd add on to that...

There is no picking or prioritization. Socialism without racial justice is merely creating a new form of second class. Racial justice without socialism is merely plucking a token representation of racial minorities to join the ruling class while leaving the vast majority of minorities as bad (or more likely worse) off as before. Doing either without the other is inherently self-defeating, and exacerbating the tension between them is why it's impossible to fully trust Sanders and most others of the DSA persuasion I've encountered OR the typical #Resistance Democrat.

Racial jusitce is already done. Equality before the law. Due process.

[Draco Dracul]

I mean the idea that we can't is why I'm saying that Bernie Sanders will throw minorities under the bus. And to be blunt from pure political calculus, it makes no sense for the Democratic party to chase uneducated white males, a shrinking demographic, than it does to bolster their support with the growing number of minorities in the country.

I'd add on to that...

There is no picking or prioritization. Socialism without racial justice is merely creating a new form of second class. Racial justice without socialism is merely plucking a token representation of racial minorities to join the ruling class while leaving the vast majority of minorities as bad (or more likely worse) off as before. Doing either without the other is inherently self-defeating, and exacerbating the tension between them is why it's impossible to fully trust Sanders and most others of the DSA persuasion I've encountered OR the typical #Resistance Democrat.

Racial jusitce is already done. Equality before the law. Due process.

Which is why statistically if a black man and a white man commit the same crime the black man will spend more time in jail.

[Antiboyscout]

Want to know how the Republicans busted those unions? They imported cheep Mexican labor that the unions couldn't compete with. After Regan started this policy the Democrats decided to run with it.

Collage educated voters are increasingly Millennial voters. They are the most educated generation in America. Trump didn't turn them off. Their liberal collage professors did.

Demographic trends are not fate. Only if you make them so. You better hope whites don't form a voting block like blacks or mexicans.

No they busted unions through labor laws that made it more difficult for unions to function and undercut their ability to perform collective bargaining. Immigration is basically irrelevant to the unions as migrant agriculture, and general construction work have never been unionized.

The college educated voters that wiped out the Orange country republicans aren't millennials, they are 40 something professionals that are turned off by Trump's identity politics and failed to see significant gains from his tax plan.

And Trump has made sure that the Mexicans, Blacks, and the educated aren't going to give the republicans another look for a generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laborers% ... th_America
"LIUNA’s origins stretch back to the 19th century when local construction unions began popping up across the United States.[8] Then, in March 1903, Samuel Gompers, the President of the American Federation of Labor (AFL), successfully persuaded various local construction unions from across the U.S. to unite in order to consolidate power in their fight against unfair labor practices."

and the United Farm Workers was created just in time for union busting.

On that note, Cesar Chavez was very much against the massive influx of Mexican labor, legal and illegal, because it hurt unions. It was only later in life that he was practically strong-armed into supporting it.

What is your deal with Orange County? Republicans now control even less of California than before. So what? Republicans have been loosing control of California since Regan. The collapse of silicon valley is what you should really be looking at. They were never with Trump to begin with. How will California Democrats manage without their Billionaire donors? Not seeing benefits is one thing. Being driven out of the state because of crazy regulations and massive taxes is another.

1/3 of Mexican voters voted for Trump. When you realize that Blacks are less likely to be collage educated than Whites, maybe you'll stop with this elitist mindset.

[Madner Kami]

What exactly is a "collage education". Is this one of these new "arts" degrees?

[Admiral X]

Why is it Libertarians besides him also seem to frequently ally with the GOP, despite their attempts to undermine democracy and replacing individualism with authoritarianism?

Because some libertarians are socially conservative.

I do too I could use a laugh. Then again my opinions of libertarianism is absurdly low as a view it as a political philosophy built around giving people so much freedom that you can turn most of them into slaves.

It's funny when people accidentally quote "Nineteen Eighty-Four." Especially when so many people seem to view the works of Orwell as an instruction manual rather than the manual they were intended as.

[Admiral X]

Which is why statistically if a black man and a white man commit the same crime the black man will spend more time in jail.

Same reason men are more likely to be convicted than women and more likely to spend more time in jail than women when convicted, I suspect.

[Draco Dracul]

Want to know how the Republicans busted those unions? They imported cheep Mexican labor that the unions couldn't compete with. After Regan started this policy the Democrats decided to run with it.

Collage educated voters are increasingly Millennial voters. They are the most educated generation in America. Trump didn't turn them off. Their liberal collage professors did.

Demographic trends are not fate. Only if you make them so. You better hope whites don't form a voting block like blacks or mexicans.

No they busted unions through labor laws that made it more difficult for unions to function and undercut their ability to perform collective bargaining. Immigration is basically irrelevant to the unions as migrant agriculture, and general construction work have never been unionized.

The college educated voters that wiped out the Orange country republicans aren't millennials, they are 40 something professionals that are turned off by Trump's identity politics and failed to see significant gains from his tax plan.

And Trump has made sure that the Mexicans, Blacks, and the educated aren't going to give the republicans another look for a generation.

What is your deal with Orange County? Republicans now control even less of California than before. So what? Republicans have been loosing control of California since Regan. The collapse of silicon valley is what you should really be looking at. They were never with Trump to begin with. How will California Democrats manage without their Billionaire donors? Not seeing benefits is one thing. Being driven out of the state because of crazy regulations and massive taxes is another.

1/3 of Mexican voters voted for Trump. When you realize that Blacks are less likely to be collage educated than Whites, maybe you'll stop with this elitist mindset.

Because Orange country has been a republican stronghold for decades and it's a good example of the kind of suburban area that the republicans are rapidly losing under Trump. It's a sign of a major shift in party lines and one that is hopelessly one sided.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Blacks are going to be hard for the Republican party to make any inroads with due to a 50 year long political strategy based around courting racist white southerns.

Which is why statistically if a black man and a white man commit the same crime the black man will spend more time in jail.

Same reason men are more likely to be convicted than women and more likely to spend more time in jail than women when convicted, I suspect.

Which inherently makes the notion that we're all equal before the law a joke.

I do too I could use a laugh. Then again my opinions of libertarianism is absurdly low as a view it as a political philosophy built around giving people so much freedom that you can turn most of them into slaves.

It's funny when people accidentally quote "Nineteen Eighty-Four." Especially when so many people seem to view the works of Orwell as an instruction manual rather than the manual they were intended as.

Accidental? There is nothing accidental about it as I view the likely end state of libertarianism as incredibly Orwellian and feel the big business types that that benefit most from it are very much the kind of people that would use 1984 as an instruction manual.

[Madner Kami]

Equality before the law is not the same as equality before the court or judge or jury.