DIS: “Will You Take My Hand?”

[CrypticMirror]

Since Mary Sue was herself a parody of Star Trek fan fiction, I guess Michael is bringing the concept full circle.

Like an Ouroboros; only instead of a snake swallowing its tail, it is the snake's head disappearing up its own arse.

[Karha of Honor]

Since Mary Sue was herself a parody of Star Trek fan fiction, I guess Michael is bringing the concept full circle.

Make your case for Burnham the Mary Sue.

[Actarus]

Since Mary Sue was herself a parody of Star Trek fan fiction, I guess Michael is bringing the concept full circle.

Make your case for Burnham the Mary Sue.

Yeah, the word "Mary Sue" comes far too quickly for my taste each time the protagonist of a show, movie or book is a woman.

[Karha of Honor]

Since Mary Sue was herself a parody of Star Trek fan fiction, I guess Michael is bringing the concept full circle.

Make your case for Burnham the Mary Sue.

Yeah, the word "Mary Sue" comes far too quickly for my taste each time the protagonist of a show, movie or book is a woman.

Most people who said it were right when they said it near me or in the same online space.

With that said i wanna hear the explanation.

Rey is a giant Sue/Stu/Tru if trans.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

People make Mary Sue out to be a much more serious problem than it is.

[Karha of Honor]

People make Mary Sue out to be a much more serious problem than it is.

It is only one disease in the GOAT global movie franchise among many...

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's a witch hunt.

[Karha of Honor]

It's a witch hunt.

Yeah, bloody progressives choose a very weird platform to grandstand about their culture war victory.

[Jonathan101]

Okay, she isn't a full-on Mary Sure I'll grant you, but she has Sue-is traits and being the hitherto unknown foster sister of Spock is the most glaring.

She is hyper-intelligent by human standards and although she stages a mutiny and gets arrested for it, she was technically in the right about how to handle Klingons and things might have been avoided if the Captain had listened to her (ambiguous about whether or not we are supposed to side with Michael here for her mutiny). At first everyone hates her but gradually they grow to like and respect her and admit that she should never have been kicked out of Starfleet in the first place, and she ends up ending the Federation-Klingon War pretty much singly handily, by finding a peaceful solution when the Starfleet admiralty itself resorted to genocide (that she arguably started but to be fair, the Klingons wanted it).

And if that isn't enough...I'll take the cowards way and point out that it was Cryptic Mirror who called her a Sue and I was just bouncing off of her. <_<

[CrypticMirror]

Okay, she isn't a full-on Mary Sure I'll grant you, but she has Sue-is traits and being the hitherto unknown foster sister of Spock is the most glaring.

She is hyper-intelligent by human standards and although she stages a mutiny and gets arrested for it, she was technically in the right about how to handle Klingons and things might have been avoided if the Captain had listened to her (ambiguous about whether or not we are supposed to side with Michael here for her mutiny). At first everyone hates her but gradually they grow to like and respect her and admit that she should never have been kicked out of Starfleet in the first place, and she ends up ending the Federation-Klingon War pretty much singly handily, by finding a peaceful solution when the Starfleet admiralty itself resorted to genocide (that she arguably started but to be fair, the Klingons wanted it).

And if that isn't enough...I'll take the cowards way and point out that it was Cryptic Mirror who called her a Sue and I was just bouncing off of her. <_<

Yeah, but I wouldn't have bothered playing their game and fighting them over it. People that want to fight over the definition of a Mary Sue character are not interested in having it explained to them, they just want to fight, nitpick, and generally get upset over it. Mary Suedom is a lot like porn; it is hard to pin down exact definitions, but boy do you always know it when you see it. Also, both are really annoying when you are just looking for a good genfic to read.

I will say this one thing though. Rey from Star Wars is NOT a Mary Sue. She is not that great a character, in TLJ anyway-TFA was fine, but her faults are not Sueish.