How do you know the Federation's legal grounds? The Federation makes its own laws and decides what it can and cannot do within its own boarders.
DIS: “Will You Take My Hand?”
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Emperor Philippa Georgiou is not from the Federation. She did nothing bad to the Federation or any of its citizens. Moreover, she is from an alternate universe which Starfleet wants to hide the existence. They can't do anything to her through legal means without revealing who she is and where she is coming from. Captain Philippa Georgiou is a Federation citizen though, and the Emperor has been freed as Captain Philippa Georgiou. Meaning that if the Emperor does anything bad, they would have legal ground to arrest her. At least that's what I understood of the situation. I know, I know, it's still strange, but that's one way I explain this whole situation.Zoinksberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:18 pmHow do you know the Federation's legal grounds? The Federation makes its own laws and decides what it can and cannot do within its own boarders.
Re: DIS: “Will You Take My Hand?”
They released her on the Klingon home world. It's doubtful the Klingon Empire and the Federation have an extradition treaty, so unless she gets back to Federation territory she won't have to worry about being arrested.Actarus wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:59 pmEmperor Philippa Georgiou is not from the Federation. She did nothing bad to the Federation or any of its citizens. Moreover, she is from an alternate universe which Starfleet wants to hide the existence. They can't do anything to her through legal means without revealing who she is and where she is coming from. Captain Philippa Georgiou is a Federation citizen though, and the Emperor has been freed as Captain Philippa Georgiou. Meaning that if the Emperor does anything bad, they would have legal ground to arrest her. At least that's what I understood of the situation. I know, I know, it's still strange, but that's one way I explain this whole situation.Zoinksberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:18 pmHow do you know the Federation's legal grounds? The Federation makes its own laws and decides what it can and cannot do within its own boarders.
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Plus given her lack of honor I doubt she'll make it 6 or 7 months on the Klingon homeworld.
..What mirror universe?
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Yes, but that was not their first intention to release her on Qo'nos, as far as I remember. Besides, if she ever returns to the Federation, she is still Philippa Georgiou, once a respected Starfleet officer. As long as she respects the law, she doesn't have to worry about being arrested.pilight wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:39 amThey released her on the Klingon home world. It's doubtful the Klingon Empire and the Federation have an extradition treaty, so unless she gets back to Federation territory she won't have to worry about being arrested.Actarus wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:59 pmEmperor Philippa Georgiou is not from the Federation. She did nothing bad to the Federation or any of its citizens. Moreover, she is from an alternate universe which Starfleet wants to hide the existence. They can't do anything to her through legal means without revealing who she is and where she is coming from. Captain Philippa Georgiou is a Federation citizen though, and the Emperor has been freed as Captain Philippa Georgiou. Meaning that if the Emperor does anything bad, they would have legal ground to arrest her. At least that's what I understood of the situation. I know, I know, it's still strange, but that's one way I explain this whole situation.Zoinksberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:18 pmHow do you know the Federation's legal grounds? The Federation makes its own laws and decides what it can and cannot do within its own boarders.
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Klingon honor is overrated. All form and no substance. They like to boast about it, they fight when they feel their "honour" is being attacked, but that's about it. Most Klingons are not Worf or Martok.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:08 am Plus given her lack of honor I doubt she'll make it 6 or 7 months on the Klingon homeworld.
The Klingons respect strength and skill in combat above all. The Emperor has plenty of both.
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Classy, insulting the dude in Klingon. I'd also call him a schutta too. 
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
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"Loitering with intent" or even "Loitering within tent"!abki wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:16 pmWell, for building a multiverse-destroying kill-all-life-everywhere-o'matic 9000; maybe they could get her for "behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace"pilight wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:53 pm If I may take a moment to talk about the actual episode...
The Federation offers Georgiou her freedom in exchange for doing this mission, and then for abandoning it. My question is: What legal right did the Federation have to hold her in the first place? She hadn't broken any Federation laws. As Emperor, the acts she committed in the Terran Empire weren't crimes. Even if they were crimes against the Empire, that's not under Federation jurisdiction and the Empire made no extradition request. It's one thing to restrict her movement on the ship, that's SOP for non-service members (especially foreign ones), it's something else to declare her a prisoner without due process.
Soulless minion of orthodoxy.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Federation has something like the Nuremberg laws (not the Nazi ones, the crimes against humanity ones) and universal jurisdiction for major crimes on its books.Actarus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:34 am Yes, but that was not their first intention to release her on Qo'nos, as far as I remember. Besides, if she ever returns to the Federation, she is still Philippa Georgiou, once a respected Starfleet officer. As long as she respects the law, she doesn't have to worry about being arrested.
If so she can be put down for a long time, provided that Discovery was actually recording anything during its excursion in the Mirror Universe.
Soulless minion of orthodoxy.
