Just rewatched Indiana Jones and the last Crusade

[Yukaphile]

Well, all that stuff is why I left the church anyway. I want truly impartial justice, especially for the assholes here who escape justice during their lives for the most reprehensible conduct, then have the gall to try and feel "slight regret" near the end of their lives. Who offer a deathbed confession, or perhaps an anonymous note, which is just a hollow gesture given some of their crimes. They exist to this day, you see it all the time. And easy forgiveness doesn't sit right with me, the same way excessive cruelty doesn't sit right with me either. I consider both the same. Both are complicit in allowing some of the worst acts possible to go unpunished, because either you're helping, you're committing them, or you don't wanna be like them, or worse yet, anthropomorphize their crime to somehow paint them as a victim. I've seen this attitude many times, and it's appalling. I can only hope that if there is an afterlife, it's not run by incompetent beings like we are.

Also, Bridge, you talk in a way I just can't comprehend. You use way too many fancy words, it's just... WOW. Where did you go to school?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

You talk of forgiveness by god as if it corresponds to judicial proceedings or disputes between people. That's not really what it has to do with at all. It's not a matter of justice between two parties. It's largely a matter of how a person comes to grips with themself, and I think there might be no aspects outside of self-reflection that it has to do with. Again justice isn't what it's even trying to resolve in the slightest.

[Yukaphile]

Should a serial rapist or murderer be allowed into the afterlife alongside his victims, simply out of forgiveness? No. Hell, I often find more compassion from people who follow the Church of Satan.

[Yukaphile]

You behave with evil acts, you deserve to pay, period. And if you don't in this life, then you should in the next life.

[Yukaphile]

The afterlife, where you go when you die, should be fair and impartial, and reflect what you are, and if it's dominated by a singular entity, well... that's tyranny. And we know God regularly was in the habit of genocide, and cursing whole families and entire races for the crimes of a few, so... I think I'm right to question God's morality and judgment. Besides, He made us in his image, and we are so viciously hateful and cruel. That speaks volumes to what kind of being He is. He is not worthy of my worship if he won't attend to his children in a fair and impartial manner, if he will let a serial rapist against women and girls into the highest level of heaven alongside his victims simply because he feels "slight regret" - or by the same token, send a permanently broken victim who never fully recovered from how badly they were brutalized to hell for a few tiny mistaken beliefs that, in the end, are hurting no one, and don't interfere with how well they treat others.

[Yukaphile]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BEZeT2WsA8

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

-.-

First, you're charging the consistency of theism as if the metaphysical constructs are considerable. They're not. At least as far as I'm talking about.

[Yukaphile]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwOqKfEYTg

[Yukaphile]

I'm derailing this topic. I'll drop this... again.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's generally agreed upon that reciprocated suffering isn't really the goal of retribution, be it by our state or moral foundation.

Religion is only concerned with someone suffering. No matter what the crime is, literally no institution is set out to enact shame or suffering as atonement.