Star Trek Discovery season 2 megathread

[Karha of Honor]

Purity progressives and SJWs. OMG...

Don't you wanna erase gender or whatever?

[Yukaphile]

What's that got to do with anything?

[Actarus]

The continuity is a mess.

Because of DISCO?

Care to elaborate?

It cannot be retconned?

Don't bother. Some people seem to think the 23rd century should look like the 1960's and that it is a too hard mental exercise to get over the visual changes.

As for Pike, I believe it is close enough. It is hard to know exactly how a character is supposed to be when there is only one episode in which he has a real personality, the pilot. It's like trying to describe Jean-Luc Picard with only "Encounter on Farpoint". Patrick Stewart put much meat on the bone in seven years. Picard is not even exactly the same in the end of season 1. So Anson Mount has a lot of leeway to play his character. But so far, I think he's doing great.

[Yukaphile]

Hey. In DS9, they went out of their way to recreate the old tech. It cost more, but it was worth it. Because their passion for the work was obvious, and the fans responded positively. That was also an episode that earned a Hugo Award. You won't see modern Trek doing that at all. There's no passion. It's antiseptic and sterile. Star Trek is a cow that's nearly been milked dry. And it won't survive unless it's given time to rest so it can produce more milk, ie money for those greedy corporate CEOs in the future. And next time, give it to fans!

[Zoinksberg]

Don't bother. Some people seem to think the 23rd century should look like the 1960's

Yeah, because it did. In Star Trek, that's what it looks like. I have the video evidence to prove it. Every other incarnation of Trek was true to that, accepted that a different time looked like a different time. TNG, DS9, ENT all showed a Constitution bridge correctly. VOY showed the Excelsior bridge correctly. Apparently "this time period had this aesthetic" has become too difficult of a concept?

The phrase "Discovery is Star Trek for people who don't like Star Trek" gets so much hate, but every single decision they made drives that thought home. It can't look like Star Trek of that era did, because they don't like that look. If you don't like how Trek looked at that time, then don't set it during that time. But I guess coming up with a Star Trek idea that isn't set in the mid-23rd century is too hard a mental exercise for anybody connected with Trek today.

When they created Rogue One, there was no "Oh, we don't want it to look like the 70's, we need to future this up a bit". No, they said "we are creating a story in this universe so we will design it to fit in to this universe and then use our updated technology to make it look better but still stay true to the aesthetic." So it's really disappointing to see a story in the Trek universe and not have that same respect for the universe. "Create a ship, slap some nacelles and an NCC number on it and it's Trek. If you don't like it then it's your fault, not ours."

[Enterprising]

But I guess coming up with a Star Trek idea that isn't set in the mid-23rd century is too hard a mental exercise for anybody connected with Trek today.

Yep if it don't have Kirk, Spock, or the Enterprise in it we the audience won't know it's Star Trek. (Even if they put that in the title.) That's how dumb they think we are.

[Yukaphile]

They're not even Kirk and Spock anymore. They've really stripped them of the qualities which made them so memorable and endearing.

[MissKittyFantastico]

That was fun. Not sure the blueshirt-redshirt was necessary - props to the actor for carrying off a pretty weak role with an impressive amount of swagger, though - but I liked a lot of what I saw. Pike is awesome, I really hope Jet Reno's staying, and I really enjoyed how the crew in general felt more natural and characterful this time round, versus season one. My feeling is that somebody's been looking back at the first season, thinking about what came up short, and figuring out how to wrangle those elements into better shape. I like it.

[Zoinksberg]

I must say I do enjoy Tig Notaro as a comic, so my opinion of that character is greatly boosted by that. Deadpan snark is one of my favorite forms of comedy and she hits that note perfectly for me. So if Jet Reno sticks around for more episodes that will put some much needed points in the "Pro" column for Season 2 for me.

[Worffan101]

Discovery Season 2 discussion...

Episode 1 was enjoyable, but...

Why couldn't the guy who came with Pike obey orders ?

Because the lesson of the episode is if you don't listen to Burnham, you die. It's almost certainly going to replace the redshirts.

It is some of the laziest, tropiest, bullshit, pathetic, modern Hollywood-stereotype "writing" I've ever seen, which means it's actually among the less ludicrously terrible things Kurtzman's signed off on.

Seriously, "anyone who disagrees with The Protagonist must die?" That's fucking Mary Sue fanfic shit!