Star Trek Discovery season 2 megathread

[Worffan101]

Only in your own head. Maybe you want to stop spamming up this thread though.

Pot, meet kettle. And this may be my personal opinion, but I find you as amusing as a ten-hour lecture on the proper forms of address to use when speaking to various mid-level officials in Ming-dynasty Sichuan.

[clearspira]

I know enough about it to know that it started out due to a large number of male feminists being literal cuckolds. Some of them were even nice enough to write articles about how awesome and feminist they were because they got off on the fact that their wives would go out on dates with and fuck other men. Of course the right's version of SJWs just took that and ran with it, and it basically just became a general insult that they use much like the left likes to use "Nazi" or "alt-right" - basically just an insult meant to shock them and hopefully shut them up while hopefully convincing others to not put any stock in anything they said.

Spot on, exactly right. And on a side note, if their self-esteem is so low that your wife banging other blokes makes you feel as if you on the right side of history, I don't know myself if I want to insult or pity them. It is incredible just how many male feminists compared to any other ideology do turn out to be literal cucks though.

[Zoinksberg]

So, um, yeah. Anyway, yeah, I like listening to Doomcock rant on Discovery. Also apparently for his ability to use a single word and create several pages of bitter arguments in a forum. I wish I had that kind of power. Also I like him more since he gets called out by Pablo Hidalgo for being toxic. Hidalgo, someone who has no small part in the current failures of Star Wars, who admits to not being a part of Trek fandom, is sticking up for Discovery not because he likes it but because it is the progressive thing to do. You know, like that whole Ghostbusters 2016 thing.

Anybody who thinks a show should be above reproach strictly on the basis of its progressive statements is someone I would happily call an enemy. So if the enemy of my enemy is my friend, then ALL HAIL DICTOR VON DOOMCOCK!

[Karha of Honor]

my bad if i cannot link these images proper my post its a waste.

[technobabbler]

I'm sorry I brought up Doomcock. I just liked his gimmick, goofy name/sidekick and valid STDisco points.

Now can we talk about how STD doesn't know what real science is?

Or we can talk about Doomcock more. I don't mind that either. Doomcock wears his personal politics on his sleeve. But in one of his videos he did rant-preach for people to look beyond their personal politics unit and mock STDisco for its writing.

[Zoinksberg]

As much as it hurts to defend Discovery, no incarnation of Trek has had a really good record of adherence to real science. I mean, didn't Voyager think deuterium was some rare material and had to risk life and limb to acquire at times?

Discovery has no excuse, but it's almost a Trek trope by now to have no clue what real science is.

[technobabbler]

As much as it hurts to defend Discovery

very true. to beat a dead horse....it's incredibly nerd-funny that ST Disco treats "dark matter" exactly like Nibbler's turds. So much so Akiva Goldman (or whoever) has to have picked it up from Futurama or some movie.

Unfortunately, it's not one of those things that that most people get. (not the rabid fans at reddit/r/startrek) Just people here.

And it's a bit sad as the idea/evidence of dark matter is one of the biggest developments in astronomy in the past 25-30 years. And the dudes got a Nobel Prize for it.

I guess it's ok, I'd rather have lines like "That's the power of math! Bitches."

[Worffan101]

Discovery's approach to science is a very Bad Robot Productions approach. Not just making up bullshit "science", but making up obviously bullshit "science" that keeps getting MORE bullshit the longer they keep spouting it.

As for Doomcock, all I know of his personal politics is that he likes throwing out alt-right buzzwords and goes on rant tantrums about stuff like things not perfectly meshing with all previous canon (which, let's be honest, TNG and DS9 had more than their share of inconsistencies even within themselves, but let's put a pin in this for later). That said, some of his points, like how Burnham is written as an indescribably perfect hypercompetent cipher, and how the scene with Kid Burnham and Kid Spock would've been much better if they'd taken cues from TAS, ARE on point.

On canon minutiae: I don't give a shit that the Klingons have ridges when they allegedly shouldn't (side note, it seems that Star Trek Online has taken out their missions that focus on a Klingon trying to undo the augment virus in the past from the future--allegedly this is for "rework" but it seems possible that CBS has a new rule on Klingon appearance or something), I don't give a shit that the Klingons aren't using D7s or the Enterprise doesn't look exactly as it did in TOS or that the uniforms on Discovery are different or any of that crap. I DO care that the Klingon makeup is ugly and the actors can't emote in it, I DO care that the Klingon ships are ugly and generic, I DO care that the Discovery uniforms are ugly and the combadges having rank pips on them is stupid.

There is a distinction that must be made between "This isn't exactly the same as it was" and "This looks like shit". TNG and DS9 made pretty major alterations to the TOS aesthetic, as did the movies, and sure there was justification but so too does STD technically have justification. When they started using CGI instead of models, DS9 made minor tweaks to TNG ship looks. We don't really complain about that because it still looked fine. STD, on the other hand, looks ugly and generic. The Discovery itself is overly busy and the spinny disc thing is ridiculous, the uniforms look like something from a nuBSG fan film in a bad way, the Klingon makeup is just a bunch of ugly rubber, the Klingon ships and bat'leths are impractical, silly-looking things ripped off of some generic sci-fi pilot, the CGI fungus is just boring and distractingly busy, etc.

On canon details: I don't give a shit if Archer fights the Borg or Picard turns out to have a lovechild if it makes for a good story. I don't care if Sisko says he's always wanted to go to the Moon in one episode and it turns out later that he went there for an Academy field trip later on. If the story is good, I can accept small breaks from canon like that. There is fundamentally nothing wrong with contradicting a minor detail years after it got brought up if it makes for a good story. Where STD fails, though, is that it tears up a canon that people LOVE for a SHIT story. They butcher the character of Spock, they hire an idiot who can't act to play Sarek, they add a human foster sister who's never been mentioned before and whose presence SHOULD have massively affected Spock and Sarek's personalities and relationship and she's just the most boring fucking block of wood ever to be carved into a shitty action figure to go through the motions of a generic sci-fi adventure torn out of nuBSG...it's just not worth it.

So, I find myself partially agreeing with the canon minutiae-obsessed rageaholic who tosses around alt-right buzzwords, because quite frankly STD is a shit story and is being written by hacks.

I almost miss Berman and Braga.

[Yukaphile]

At least Trek has adhered to a somewhat pseudo-realistic scientific understanding of the past - conceding to the possible existence of a parallel universe, matter and antimatter colliding, and certain basic principles I think would escape the current crop of writers. Like understanding the difference between, say, an umbra and a penumbra. I don't think these idiots would know or care.

[clearspira]

Discovery's approach to science is a very Bad Robot Productions approach. Not just making up bullshit "science", but making up obviously bullshit "science" that keeps getting MORE bullshit the longer they keep spouting it.

As for Doomcock, all I know of his personal politics is that he likes throwing out alt-right buzzwords and goes on rant tantrums about stuff like things not perfectly meshing with all previous canon (which, let's be honest, TNG and DS9 had more than their share of inconsistencies even within themselves, but let's put a pin in this for later). That said, some of his points, like how Burnham is written as an indescribably perfect hypercompetent cipher, and how the scene with Kid Burnham and Kid Spock would've been much better if they'd taken cues from TAS, ARE on point.

I almost miss Berman and Braga.

Are you seriously still suggesting that cuck is an alt-right word? Or is alt-right your go-to insult for anyone not on the left? And yeah, you should miss Braga given how much better Orville is to this shit. Like Chuck himself says, Braga isn't a bad writer, he's a hack writer. He can deliver the goods on occasion.