Star Trek Discovery season 2 megathread

[MixedDrops]

You're just trolling, Admiral X. The soy thing is unadulterated horseshit and if the self-proclaimed fans of Trek and science in this thread truly believe themselves to be such enlightened skeptics, then actually read a study about soybean consumption before reporting back instead of reciting stupid shit that's only popular amongst quasi-fascists like Paul Joseph Watson. If you constantly use white nationalist words, quote white nationalist media, and repeat white nationalist talking points, don't be surprised when people "mistakenly" label you a white nationalist.

And Spira, if you don't believe that in an overall sense, woman are disadvantaged as compared to men, then you are simply wrong. That doesn't mean there aren't sexist things against men in society, and the fact that your response to "woman have problems" is essentially "but what about men problems" is very telling.

Yes, men live shorter, are likely prejudiced against in criminal law by comparison, and are regularly disadvantaged socially via negative stereotypes of masculinity (which ironically, you perpetuate by doing things like calling anyone not quite misogynistic enough "cucks"). None of these are mutually exclusive from things like women being disadvantaged in professional settings or being the victims of sexual violence more often, nor does it means misogyny is not a problem. That sort of thinking is pretty much textbook MRA style propaganda.

And I really need the need to point out at this point- what the fuck is this even doing in a Star Trek: Discovery thread? When was the episode when Michael Burnham dragonkicked the patriarchy in the dick and caused cosmic estrogen pills to fire in the bloodstream of the universe, saving the Federation from Klingon toxic masculinity? The fact I run into this type of crap so often in Discovery discussions really shows how insecure right wingers and radical centrists constantly try to see shit that isn't there. The only thing that remotely came close to anything like that was that toothless "make the empire great again" quote in S1, which still has jack to do with that. Trek writers lean left and don't like the Republican President. What a fucking shocker.

[Admiral X]

All you are doing is repeating "progressive" propaganda. The bit about "enlightened skeptics" is pretty funny, though. Good one. But sorry, I'm not going to pull my Tribal ID out so you can harass my tribe just to score internet points. I've already seen how members of the regressive left treat minorities who do not fit into how they think minorities should think and act. The fact remains I can say I am a registered member of a Federally recognized Native American tribe. Not, I "identify as" Native, not "my grandma told us stories about having Native relatives," but Native by blood. I have direct family who was at Wounded Knee. I'm Native whether you like it or not.

[Yukaphile]

@clearspira Oh have you seen how women were treated in the decades leading up to the second wave? It's atrocious. You haven't heard the horror stories my mom had as a little girl in the 1950s. Trust me, it was widespread and common, and everybody knew it, but they couldn't stop it, because the institutions were apathetic, to say the least - like with Patrick Stewart's poor mother. That changed when people began screaming about it loudly enough that they had to pass laws that would bring new reforms. But why the hell do you think "the world" doesn't care about men? I repeat, men have never needed to be empowered like women have, because refer to your history, domestic abuse against women was off the charts among the lower classes decades ago, and men still held jobs determined by their gender, and then scoffed that women had lightly "housely" work, and we still, to a degree, rule the world. The majority of leaders worldwide right now ARE male. The majority of Congress is white men. It's also interesting you focus on suicide rates, because statistically speaking, women attempt it more. Gee, it's almost as if, by your logic, they suffer just as much as men, eh? Maybe we're all broken by the world and just want it to END regardless of gender. And what do you mean, reproductive rights? Reproductive rights is the domain of women, because they can get pregnant, unless you mean sexual assault, which is something no one deserves. I'm also against domestic violence, though hearing those in the religious right bitch that female breadwinners are "unnatural" doesn't serve to convince me that there isn't going to be some kind of push-back to try and shove women into the kitchen again. Those men talking that way are clearly resentful. But WHY? I wouldn't care if my wife made more. On the same token, if by pure accident, I did, there's no shame in that. You seem to think it's about actual oppression, and it isn't. It's about perception, and those can subtly influence us in ways we don't understand, given our own internal biases.

Then why are the rape statistics 200,000 per year? Which is it that of those affected, only 9% affect men? Or was it 4%? I forgot what the number was, but that's still low compared to how many women suffer the discrimination in terms of sexual assault. And that's largely due in part because of gender roles, our perceptions of gender, which are heteronormative and very exclusionary to the LGBT community, and other identities past male and female, and how those are subtly enforced among communities by parents and our role models. You probably think the number of men who don't report their rapes is higher, and yeah, statistics say that's likely, but so what? The same holds true for women. So anything higher than 200,000 per year is theoretical. And that's factoring in the "half that don't get reported," which could be wrong. Don't give me that bullshit about how the world doesn't care about men. Men have had the most dangerous jobs, been the ones shaping the world for centuries, even though women are more than capable, and it's only now we're letting women into the same jobs. Why else do you think we've never had a female President? Because that's A MAN'S JOB. People see it as a man's destiny to forge policy and influence other countries. It's the same problem men and women have always had. Always underestimating what women are capable of. And I won't stand for it.

[Admiral X]

Yuka, in spite of your stated rationale, you are in fact defending the idea that people should be treated differently depending on whether they were born male or female.

[Yukaphile]

As I had said, it's about perception, and until that changes, it's something we have to fight. Like look at how irrationally people responded to the idea of a female Doctor on this very forum a few years back. I've seen the comments. All for stepping into the main lead in a popular science-fiction franchise. And then the BBC gets accused of "pandering." The only way women should be treated differently should be when it comes to childbirth and pregnancy. Other than that, there's no real difference.

[Worffan101]

That soy thing is literally an alt-right myth, Admiral X. You are literally spreading alt-right conspiracy theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dfiDeJeDU
Not to mention, your complaints about "attacks on masculinity" are drawn straight from the playbook of alt-right "philosopher" and paranoid neo-Nazi rambler Jordan Peterson, which lays pretty bare your political predispositions. You are nothing more than an alt-right troll laughably claiming otherwise.

yes, the Native with libertarian leanings is totally a white nationalist who wants a white ethno-state ruled by a monarchy. See how silly you look? You literally just call anyone who disagrees with you alt-right.

I don't believe that you're a Native American, I don't believe that you really think the alt-right are all monarchists, and I don't believe that you're a genuine libertarian, jackass.

You have clearly and repeatedly expressed absurd views unique to the alt-right, such as the ludicrous claim that masculinity is under attack and that "cuck" isn't offensive. You're an alt-right troll and your attempts to claim otherwise are as believable as Maduro's claims that he was fairly elected.

[Worffan101]

All you are doing is repeating "progressive" propaganda. The bit about "enlightened skeptics" is pretty funny, though. Good one. But sorry, I'm not going to pull my Tribal ID out so you can harass my tribe just to score internet points. I've already seen how members of the regressive left treat minorities who do not fit into how they think minorities should think and act. The fact remains I can say I am a registered member of a Federally recognized Native American tribe. Not, I "identify as" Native, not "my grandma told us stories about having Native relatives," but Native by blood. I have direct family who was at Wounded Knee. I'm Native whether you like it or not.

Prove it, because other wise I maintain my claim that the man spouting alt-right nonsense is actually a white kid in his mom's basement using shitty 4chan reaction gifs instead of bringing any legitimate arguments to the table.

If you won't prove that you're really what you claim, then all that we on the Internet CAN do is take your bullshit alt-right talking points at face value.

[Karha of Honor]

As I had said, it's about perception, and until that changes, it's something we have to fight. Like look at how irrationally people responded to the idea of a female Doctor on this very forum a few years back. I've seen the comments. All for stepping into the main lead in a popular science-fiction franchise. And then the BBC gets accused of "pandering." The only way women should be treated differently should be when it comes to childbirth and pregnancy. Other than that, there's no real difference.

Uh, you want to end female soccer and the WNBA?

So basically in countries where teeneage bullying is still hardcore you want chicks to get punched by dudes?

[Admiral X]

I don't believe that you're a Native American, I don't believe that you really think the alt-right are all monarchists, and I don't believe that you're a genuine libertarian, jackass.

Well as Neil deGrasse Tyson would say, the cool thing about facts are that they are facts whether you believe in them or not.

You have clearly and repeatedly expressed absurd views unique to the alt-right,

Anyone who disagrees with you is alt-right, it seems.

such as the ludicrous claim that masculinity is under attack

Anyone even remotely paying attention has noticed this, so pretending it hasn't happened only makes yourself look foolish.

and that "cuck" isn't offensive.

I never made that claim. You claimed that it was only an alt-right word and I showed otherwise.

You're an alt-right troll and your attempts to claim otherwise are as believable as Maduro's claims that he was fairly elected.

[Worffan101]

Admiral X, if you spout alt-right conspiracy theories, I will call you alt-right. If this offends you...

Deal with it.