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A complete remake of Star Wars. It's still Star Wars, but they completely re-cast the entire movie with new actors and just make A New Hope again cut into a half-hour episodes. And then Empire. Some minor shot differences, some revised character appearances, but the same movie, basically same script, basically same dialogue. A direct reboot, no soft about it.
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Robovski wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:32 pm A complete remake of Star Wars. It's still Star Wars, but they completely re-cast the entire movie with new actors and just make A New Hope again cut into a half-hour episodes. And then Empire. Some minor shot differences, some revised character appearances, but the same movie, basically same script, basically same dialogue. A direct reboot, no soft about it.
I know they actually did a verbatim script remake of Psycho, but this really does sound like an epic trolling endeavor.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:37 pm
Robovski wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:32 pm A complete remake of Star Wars.A direct reboot, no soft about it.
I know they actually did a verbatim script remake of Psycho, but this really does sound like an epic trolling endeavor.
Disney should totally do it as a gimmick to kick off their streaming service. Don't know if it would help/hurt Disney in the long run.
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technobabbler wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:30 amDisney should totally do it as a gimmick to kick off their streaming service. Don't know if it would help/hurt Disney in the long run.
Depends if they CG it so Alderaan shoots first.
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technobabbler wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:58 pm oh ya, forgot about that. too bad.

TV hasn't had anything really about slavery since Roots. And that was 40? years ago. with Geordi LaForge!

unless I'm forgetting something.
They did have a complete remake of Roots some time ago.
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TGLS wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:01 am
technobabbler wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:58 pm

unless I'm forgetting something.
They did have a complete remake of Roots some time ago.
I had to look it up....as I thought maybe it was rebooted around 2010. Nope 2016.

Totally missed that one. But it was on "History"/eccentric hair guy-Alien Channel so I forgive myself for being completely oblivious to it.
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Really I don't think that slavery is an untouchable thing to put in a show. If you're talking about sci-fi or otherwise speculative fiction then it very easily comes off as irreverent, to which point it would more likely be seen in subtext/metaphor/allegory.

Also interesting how this thread is about TV and sci-fi. Between network production companies and broadcast advertisers, the writing matter gets heavily influenced by multi-faceted sensibility standards.

Given all that in consideration, it's still easy to understand that Roots makes its way on to the screen.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:15 pmWell look what happened to Al Gore. That movie of his nearly ruined his reputation.
To be fair, he used a lot of crap science. Global warming is a real thing, and man-made global warming may be a real thing (color me skeptical), but his need to drive it home as a crisis made him represent some of the most extra, unlikely scenarios as practically imminent.

Sea levels haven't been rising at any dramatic rate-it's been pretty constant for the past 160 years. And it's not a humanitarian crisis if they rise, since there's plenty of evidence they're still lower than they were about 2300 years ago.

Pretty sure he also predicted that severe storm and tornadoes have been increasing, and that's essentially bunk. There has been a slight increase in storms in the Eastern hemisphere, but it's been matched by a decrease in storms in the West.

There's also the fact that there's almost no consensus that the rising level of C02 is harmful. This movie played a huge part in propagating that fact, but of all the gasses released by human production, C02 is probably one of the least harmful, ecologically. There's still some discussion on the topic of "CO2 saturation," that is, reaching the point where it becomes too large a percentage of gas in the atmosphere, but climatologists don't know what that number is or what the effects would be.

He also spent years selectively reading (and misreading) the most dire predictions so he could make statements like that the Arctic ice caps would have no summer ice in 2014 or 2016 or whatever, and that's not even close to come to pass (in many places the polar icecaps are expanding).

Now, I'm all for being a conservationist. Short-sighted use of natural resources is destructive to the environment. But I'm also not not into panic-driven predictions urging people to do "Something," as fast possible, only to later learn their solution has actually been a net negative when it comes to environmental impact because they were too eager to act. Some examples include biofuels in Europe that have turned out to actually increase harmful emissions, but people jump on terms like "biofuels" and somehow think they're cleaner. I could also point out many of the issues with recycling-that is, a lot of "recycled" plastic ends up being sold off to China (partly because there's difficulties running a recycling plant that complies with regulations in West Coast regions)...and it turns out that China is by far the top source of plastic waste. Or the dubious creation of ethanol fuel, which requires large amounts of energy consumption just to make corn into fuel, making it extremely inefficient (and the biggest impact has been massive government subsidies for corn-growers).

In short: Nothing wrong with using climate change and environmentalism as themes/metaphors for a sci-fi show. If you're making a documentary on a scientific topic, get your facts nailed down instead of rushing to get it produced, or else you're going to get called out for it.
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Robovski wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:32 pm A complete remake of Star Wars. It's still Star Wars, but they completely re-cast the entire movie with new actors and just make A New Hope again cut into a half-hour episodes. And then Empire. Some minor shot differences, some revised character appearances, but the same movie, basically same script, basically same dialogue. A direct reboot, no soft about it.
Like directly from the movie or would they use the script from the radio play?
bronnt wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:03 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:15 pmWell look what happened to Al Gore. That movie of his nearly ruined his reputation.
To be fair, he used a lot of crap science. Global warming is a real thing, and man-made global warming may be a real thing (color me skeptical), but his need to drive it home as a crisis made him represent some of the most extra, unlikely scenarios as practically imminent.

Sea levels haven't been rising at any dramatic rate-it's been pretty constant for the past 160 years. And it's not a humanitarian crisis if they rise, since there's plenty of evidence they're still lower than they were about 2300 years ago.
That may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Even if we take that as true, 2300 years ago you didn't have hundreds of millions of people living in coastal cities that you would have to relocate. The Syrian civil war (which was at least in part caused by drought in the region) displaced 5 million people and is seen as a massive humanitarian crisis, sea level rise displacing coastal cities could be two orders of magnitude higher than that.
bronnt wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:03 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:15 pmWell look what happened to Al Gore. That movie of his nearly ruined his reputation.

There's also the fact that there's almost no consensus that the rising level of C02 is harmful. This movie played a huge part in propagating that fact, but of all the gasses released by human production, C02 is probably one of the least harmful, ecologically. There's still some discussion on the topic of "CO2 saturation," that is, reaching the point where it becomes too large a percentage of gas in the atmosphere, but climatologists don't know what that number is or what the effects would be.
You are talking out of your ass. There is a consensus that rising levels of CO2 is causing global warming, there is a consensus in how much our current output will cause the temperature to rise, and there is a consensus that it will cause massive ecological harm, notably it will make most of the middle east two hot for human habitation even in many of the better case scenarios.
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Human and non-human relations
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