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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:19 am
The point of having, like, civilization, is so that we don't need to rely on brute force to go about our lives unmolested. You know? That's what seperates downtown philly from Mad Max.
CX ivilization means running water, electricity, sophisticated governments, courts to settle disputes, not Utopia.
You must have not looked tat the history of civilization.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:38 am
Wow. Hate crimes are a national epidemic. While influencing more people to get handguns probably escalates the other epidemic that is gun violence, one person getting a gun isn't supposed to be a cure to hate crimes, on a broad scale or personal. It's not really designed to do that, it's designed to stop people from f'ing with you. But also I'm wearing of any person with any chance of incompetency being influenced to get a gun.
I think it's a retarded concept, but an epidemic compared to...?
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:19 am
The point of having, like, civilization, is so that we don't need to rely on brute force to go about our lives unmolested. You know? That's what seperates downtown philly from Mad Max.
I thought what separates those is cheesesteak?
More seriously, yes, you're absolutely right that you shouldn't need a gun. People have guns to protect their homes, even though we shouldn't have to do that, either. But no civilization I know of eliminated 100% of violent jerks, no matter how many movies of the week, after-school specials, or sensitivity training was given.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:38 am
Wow. Hate crimes are a national epidemic. While influencing more people to get handguns probably escalates the other epidemic that is gun violence, one person getting a gun isn't supposed to be a cure to hate crimes, on a broad scale or personal. It's not really designed to do that, it's designed to stop people from f'ing with you. But also I'm wearing of any person with any chance of incompetency being influenced to get a gun.
They don't just hand you a CCW license and a gun, you know.
In general I would advocate for more people becoming more competent with firearms in any case.
"Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace is fast enough."
-TR
Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:55 am
I think it's a retarded concept, but an epidemic compared to...?
The two polar epidemics in the established discussion are hate crimes and gun violence. LGBT are known to be targeted, so I went out on a limb. I also feel it's safe to say that gun violence is an epidemic. Having one person get a gun doesn't really escalate that epidemic imo. If you apply that to everybody though, I feel the rise in guns would probably worsen what I considered the gun violence epidemic.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:38 am
Wow. Hate crimes are a national epidemic. While influencing more people to get handguns probably escalates the other epidemic that is gun violence, one person getting a gun isn't supposed to be a cure to hate crimes, on a broad scale or personal. It's not really designed to do that, it's designed to stop people from f'ing with you. But also I'm wearing of any person with any chance of incompetency being influenced to get a gun.
They don't just hand you a CCW license and a gun, you know.
In general I would advocate for more people becoming more competent with firearms in any case.
Yeah, I'm not really weary of say Switzerland's approach. I'm pretty sure Germany is on the level too.
Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:55 am
I think it's a retarded concept, but an epidemic compared to...?
The two polar epidemics in the established discussion are hate crimes and gun violence. LGBT are known to be targeted, so I went out on a limb. I also feel it's safe to say that gun violence is an epidemic. Having one person get a gun doesn't really escalate that epidemic imo. If you apply that to everybody though, I feel the rise in guns would probably worsen what I considered the gun violence epidemic.
Feel and went out on a limb...
I am sorry. you would not accept these as arguments coming from a right winger.
Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:55 am
I think it's a retarded concept, but an epidemic compared to...?
The two polar epidemics in the established discussion are hate crimes and gun violence. LGBT are known to be targeted, so I went out on a limb. I also feel it's safe to say that gun violence is an epidemic. Having one person get a gun doesn't really escalate that epidemic imo. If you apply that to everybody though, I feel the rise in guns would probably worsen what I considered the gun violence epidemic.
Feel and went out on a limb...
I am sorry. you would not accept these as arguments coming from a right winger.
All violent crime has been on the downswing since the 1970s.
And advocating for second amendment rights is hardly a "right wing" only thing. Hell, Operation Blazing Sword formed in response to the Pulse massacre, and more recently they have merged with Pink Pistols, which formed in 2000 with the simple mission of teaching queer people to shoot. It's like the NRA for LGBTQ people, if the NRA was still what it was like before the 1970s.
"Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace is fast enough."
-TR
Admiral X wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:38 pm
All violent crime has been on the downswing since the 1970s.
And advocating for second amendment rights is hardly a "right wing" only thing. Hell, Operation Blazing Sword formed in response to the Pulse massacre, and more recently they have merged with Pink Pistols, which formed in 2000 with the simple mission of teaching queer people to shoot. It's like the NRA for LGBTQ people, if the NRA was still what it was like before the 1970s.
I was thinking that in terms of gun violence the LGBT doesn't really raise any flags for me.
I actually kinda side more with Necro as far as what I was saying about not convincing someone to take up arms, though you are right that it would undoubtedly be effective in deterring such treatment.
Though what about when those assailants start wielding guns themselves? I can't really tell if they're indifferent to the consequences of killing people but I have a volatile impression of aggressive MAGA people.
Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:55 am
I think it's a retarded concept, but an epidemic compared to...?
The two polar epidemics in the established discussion are hate crimes and gun violence. LGBT are known to be targeted, so I went out on a limb. I also feel it's safe to say that gun violence is an epidemic. Having one person get a gun doesn't really escalate that epidemic imo. If you apply that to everybody though, I feel the rise in guns would probably worsen what I considered the gun violence epidemic.
Feel and went out on a limb...
I am sorry. you would not accept these as arguments coming from a right winger.
I mean as far as societal reflection, right-wing of all things deconstructed from Republicanism, conservatism, or even libertarianism, tends to be the least concerned with rational assessment. Its whole principal encourages social darwinism among humans.
Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:55 am
I think it's a retarded concept, but an epidemic compared to...?
The two polar epidemics in the established discussion are hate crimes and gun violence. LGBT are known to be targeted, so I went out on a limb. I also feel it's safe to say that gun violence is an epidemic. Having one person get a gun doesn't really escalate that epidemic imo. If you apply that to everybody though, I feel the rise in guns would probably worsen what I considered the gun violence epidemic.
Feel and went out on a limb...
I am sorry. you would not accept these as arguments coming from a right winger.
I mean as far as societal reflection, right-wing of all things deconstructed from Republicanism, conservatism, or even libertarianism, tends to be the least concerned with rational assessment. Its whole principal encourages social darwinism among humans.
I would say it's the most concerned with rational assessment right now.
