America in a state of emergency -- An Amergency

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It's funny how no one ever seems to think of how their political opponents will use and abuse things the same way they do.
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Worked great after the Gracchii. Or after Sulla. Right? Right? Right...
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Admiral X wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:54 am It's funny how no one ever seems to think of how their political opponents will use and abuse things the same way they do.
I do, That's why if this isn't defeated in court the democrats should use it to squeeze every red cent out of every pet project the republican party has had over the last 30 years and funnel it to fighting climate change.
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Admiral X wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:54 am It's funny how no one ever seems to think of how their political opponents will use and abuse things the same way they do.
And yet my Trump-adoring relatives think it was brilliant and one asked me "Where my brain is" when I criticized it. :( :|
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All of the pro-Trump media we get over here as well as several pro-Trump Youtube channels I watch are all saying the same thing: the Democrats have forced him to do this thanks in part to the government shut down THEY caused.
It doesn't matter if that is true or not, his voter base thinks it is and as such 2020 is still very much on for him. Teflon Trump strikes again.
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It should be concerning that we're so desensitized to this nonsense the most I took away was Trump pulling a Janeway.

Like, we know that for the past two months aides have been just hammering him with detailed explanations about how the subtleties of a power grab work in a legal system. Coached for sixty days about how he should phrase it so the courts can't instagib it. And he walks up to the podium, looks around, grins and thinks to himself, "You're not the boss of meeeeee".
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Worffan101 wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:34 am This is literally the stupidest possible thing Trump could have and has ever done. I think McConnell let him do it and just decided to cut the dope loose. Declaring war on Iran would've been smarter than this, and declaring war on Iran would've been idiocy in the extreme.

I mean, jesus. He even straight-up admitted he "doesn't need to do this", which will give any court in the nation a MANDATE to throw this abuse of power out, and probably Twitler along with it.
you didn't watch the video did you?
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:43 am Not a bad video. I don't really think hypocrisy is the only thing at stake here though.

Given unanimous Democratic opposition, you'd need 1/3 of the Republicans in congress to override. The question of whether Congress agrees that it's an emergency is more the issue imo.
You have that backwards. It would take 2/3 in the House AND the Senate to override the emergency powers act. That means, just a majority in the Senate alone can keep the decision in place.
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Antiboyscout wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:35 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:43 am Not a bad video. I don't really think hypocrisy is the only thing at stake here though.

Given unanimous Democratic opposition, you'd need 1/3 of the Republicans in congress to override. The question of whether Congress agrees that it's an emergency is more the issue imo.
You have that backwards. It would take 2/3 in the House AND the Senate to override the emergency powers act. That means, just a majority in the Senate alone can keep the decision in place.
I was assuming that all the Democrats would vote against it. Considering their numbers are just over or just below half of the Congressional houses, that leaves 16.666_ votes from the remaining seats, or 33.333_ of the Republicans.
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SuccubusYuri wrote: Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:35 pm It should be concerning that we're so desensitized to this nonsense the most I took away was Trump pulling a Janeway.

Like, we know that for the past two months aides have been just hammering him with detailed explanations about how the subtleties of a power grab work in a legal system. Coached for sixty days about how he should phrase it so the courts can't instagib it. And he walks up to the podium, looks around, grins and thinks to himself, "You're not the boss of meeeeee".
And the funny thing is that had he done this at the early in the shutdown it might have worked but due to teasing it for nearly two months the democrats have had time to prepare. And then he announced on national television that there was no emergency less than ten minutes after declaring a state of emergency. The most intriguing thing about the Trump campaign/presidency is how devoid of values it's shown American conservatives to be.

Family values? We'll elect a know womanizer that had his late brother's family written out of this father's will.

Fiscal responsibility? We'll balloon the deficit during a boom period, and kick the US soy bean industry right in the head for crazy 'cause.

Religionus values? We'll elect a man that embodies at least 6 of the 7 deadly sins.

National Security? We'll actively obstruct an investigation in to a potential Russian intelligence operation.

Small government? We'll let emergency powers be declared to let the president rule with an iron fist.
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