America in a state of emergency -- An Amergency

[Madner Kami]

And yet still, people are voting for him and cheering for him and singing his praises. If anyone ever was looking for proof of us having switched from a real reality into a universe that is nothing but self-parody, then this is it.

[Draco Dracul]

And yet still, people are voting for him and cheering for him and singing his praises. If anyone ever was looking for proof of us having switched from a real reality into a universe that is nothing but self-parody, then this is it.

Well yes, because as stated conservatives seem to be without values. Part of what made Trump's election so traumatic for me was that I'd long thought that most conservatives, and especially the religious right where people with deeply held values that happened to differ from mine. I don't know if it effected other people of a liberal persuasion, but I personally was convinced that day that the world is less nuanced than I'd always believed.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

And yet still, people are voting for him and cheering for him and singing his praises. If anyone ever was looking for proof of us having switched from a real reality into a universe that is nothing but self-parody, then this is it.

Well yes, because as stated conservatives seem to be without values. Part of what made Trump's election so traumatic for me was that I'd long thought that most conservatives, and especially the religious right where people with deeply held values that happened to differ from mine. I don't know if it effected other people of a liberal persuasion, but I personally was convinced that day that the world is less nuanced than I'd always believed.

When you talk about the religious right for instance, it seems that often they do find liberals to be unraveling the moral fabric of society with proliferation of more open marriage equality and state mandated birth control provision. Even if Trump was at odds with their values personally, institutionally though he is the very lesser of two evils.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

And yet still, people are voting for him and cheering for him and singing his praises. If anyone ever was looking for proof of us having switched from a real reality into a universe that is nothing but self-parody, then this is it.

Well yes, because as stated conservatives seem to be without values. Part of what made Trump's election so traumatic for me was that I'd long thought that most conservatives, and especially the religious right where people with deeply held values that happened to differ from mine. I don't know if it effected other people of a liberal persuasion, but I personally was convinced that day that the world is less nuanced than I'd always believed.

Mood.

[Draco Dracul]

And yet still, people are voting for him and cheering for him and singing his praises. If anyone ever was looking for proof of us having switched from a real reality into a universe that is nothing but self-parody, then this is it.

Well yes, because as stated conservatives seem to be without values. Part of what made Trump's election so traumatic for me was that I'd long thought that most conservatives, and especially the religious right where people with deeply held values that happened to differ from mine. I don't know if it effected other people of a liberal persuasion, but I personally was convinced that day that the world is less nuanced than I'd always believed.

When you talk about the religious right for instance, it seems that often they do find liberals to be unraveling the moral fabric of society with proliferation of more open marriage equality and state mandated birth control provision. Even if Trump was at odds with their values personally, institutionally though he is the very lesser of two evils.

And if they were begging God's forgiveness for what they'd done I could accept this. I know I've not been comfortable going to church since then because it feels wrong bringing all the hate that is in my heart to the house of God, but it's also one of the things that keeps me going.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Yeah I kinda left that dangling a bit. I guess all I was trying to get with that is that nothing really changed with them as far as I could tell. Also I think I was refitting the claim of yours that they're seemingly without values now where you thought they were before. I think most anybody has "values," just that whether they factor other people into that is an issue of its own.

[SuccubusYuri]

I mean the modern Republican leadership does have pretty strong values, it's just that they are not the outward ones they espouse. Based on actions, their values are:

1) Repeal abortion. I'd go so far as to say that is the ONLY thing McConnell does with the Senate anymore: hold his grip around the chamber so he can squeeze as many SCOTUS appointees as he can before the hourglass holding his soul empties.

2) Strong emphasis on identity politics. GOP strategists were even going so far as to bank on 70% white voter support in 2016, an almost unheard of idea beforehand, that eclipses even the craziest dreams of the Southern Strategy. Which is a very strange turnaround from the 90s when, at least in the United States, Jewish people were...kiiiiind of? white people. That also includes the net widening for gay people like Milo now that the fight for gay marriage has been lost, they just shifted the wagons to front against the trans community, ceding the ground, for the moment. And that goes into the "melting pot" myth.

And 3) the GOP loves tax cuts, even when the government itself is saying that the $1.5tril Trump cut added ~0 to the economy, so even the primary principle of trickle down is not working in any function anymore. But they still hammer to it, so the loyalty is clearly to the tax cuts themselves, not any of the foundation principles that Reagan tied to their implementation.

The Goldwater myths are just that these days, myths. No one believes in the gods he invoked but they still spread salt at his temples because its traditional. When the Alt-Right took over the party, which is either in 2016 when they finally gained electoral power, but really it's a long climb from 1992 when Pat Buchannon inserted a number of planks, like abortion, into the party platform as a compromise for the primary, the old guard is pushed to the fringe.

The party has values. Strong values. But there's a weird, simulacrum phenomena that a large number of people haven't really caught on to (many Republicans, even, haven't noticed), a euphemism starts its life with broad understanding, but as the past fifty years rolled on people associated the euphemism's core to its language, so that to them, the euphemism WAS the word they wanted ("states rights" for "segregation", for example) even though the word itself, in vacuum, was devoid of their intended meaning. It's like "American Jesus" memes. "Strongly identified Christians vote Republican, Republicans support the gun lobby, therefore as a Christian, I support the gun lobby, it's what Jesus would have wanted, otherwise I couldn't be a Christian."

[Steve]

The tax cut thing is also for the libertarian wing of the GOP, since "taxation is theft" is integral to the mentality.

[Admiral X]

Republicans always talk the talk when it comes to limited government, but they never walk the walk.

[Karha of Honor]

I mean the modern Republican leadership does have pretty strong values, it's just that they are not the outward ones they espouse. Based on actions, their values are:

1) Repeal abortion. I'd go so far as to say that is the ONLY thing McConnell does with the Senate anymore: hold his grip around the chamber so he can squeeze as many SCOTUS appointees as he can before the hourglass holding his soul empties.

2) Strong emphasis on identity politics. GOP strategists were even going so far as to bank on 70% white voter support in 2016, an almost unheard of idea beforehand, that eclipses even the craziest dreams of the Southern Strategy. Which is a very strange turnaround from the 90s when, at least in the United States, Jewish people were...kiiiiind of? white people. That also includes the net widening for gay people like Milo now that the fight for gay marriage has been lost, they just shifted the wagons to front against the trans community, ceding the ground, for the moment. And that goes into the "melting pot" myth.

And 3) the GOP loves tax cuts, even when the government itself is saying that the $1.5tril Trump cut added ~0 to the economy, so even the primary principle of trickle down is not working in any function anymore. But they still hammer to it, so the loyalty is clearly to the tax cuts themselves, not any of the foundation principles that Reagan tied to their implementation.

The Goldwater myths are just that these days, myths. No one believes in the gods he invoked but they still spread salt at his temples because its traditional. When the Alt-Right took over the party, which is either in 2016 when they finally gained electoral power, but really it's a long climb from 1992 when Pat Buchannon inserted a number of planks, like abortion, into the party platform as a compromise for the primary, the old guard is pushed to the fringe.

The party has values. Strong values. But there's a weird, simulacrum phenomena that a large number of people haven't really caught on to (many Republicans, even, haven't noticed), a euphemism starts its life with broad understanding, but as the past fifty years rolled on people associated the euphemism's core to its language, so that to them, the euphemism WAS the word they wanted ("states rights" for "segregation", for example) even though the word itself, in vacuum, was devoid of their intended meaning. It's like "American Jesus" memes. "Strongly identified Christians vote Republican, Republicans support the gun lobby, therefore as a Christian, I support the gun lobby, it's what Jesus would have wanted, otherwise I couldn't be a Christian."

WTF is the Alt Right? How many Governors, Congressman and Senators do they have?