America in a state of emergency -- An Amergency

[SuccubusYuri]

WTF is the Alt Right? How many Governors, Congressman and Senators do they have?

Well the conversation in process was about the Republican party. If you want to talk to people about the composition of government and who wins general elections, you should lay out some initial ideas that change the discourse towards that direction, or someone might become confused and accuse you of trying to move goalposts.

[phantom000]

Like I told my family, a president can actually do a lot, the hard part is getting it to stick. If you look at the history of the executive branch it is full of presidents who brought radical changes only for them to be reversed by their successors. John Adams's term as President was effectively erased as every major decision he did was overturned.

Stuff like the Louisiana purchase, the Emancipation Proclamation and FDR's reforms to the finance industry are the exception, not the rule. Trump also hurt his own case when he signed an executive order to repeal the Affordable Healthcare Act, because what is stopping the next President from signing an order to tear the wall down?

Well let's ponder if a wall could even be built in like 1.8 years? 5.8?

That is a point, assuming he wins the election in 2020 how much can he expect to complete before he leaves office? Even with the $8 billion this move supposedly gets him I still think he would be lucky just to get it started.

[Admiral X]

Not to mention if he goes this way, it can just as easily be stopped by whoever is in office next using the precedent he set himself. Fans of his I know IRL seem to see this as him fulfilling his campaign promise, even if Mexico isn't paying for it (I think they always knew that was bullshit). Naturally I brought up the idea that the same kind of thing could be done by the next Democrat in the office to push through something they don't want, but all but a few of them seem to think anything they truly value would be protected by the Supreme Court.

[Karha of Honor]

WTF is the Alt Right? How many Governors, Congressman and Senators do they have?

Well the conversation in process was about the Republican party. If you want to talk to people about the composition of government and who wins general elections, you should lay out some initial ideas that change the discourse towards that direction, or someone might become confused and accuse you of trying to move goalposts.

Was about the Republican party....
How is how many of their high officials think what is irrelevant to that question?

[Admiral X]

I know there are a few self-professed members of the alt-right in various government offices, but one has to keep in mind that the mentality of some people is that everyone they've decided they don't like is a Naz- I mean alt-right.

[phantom000]

16 States all filed suits against Trump's State of Emergency saying it violates their sovereign rights.

https://nyti.ms/2GOE7AW

Presidents have invoked emergency-powers statutes nearly five dozen times since Congress enacted the National Emergencies Act of 1976, but never before has one been used to make an end-run around Congress after it rejected funding for a particular policy.

Which is probably reason enough to stop this dead in its tracks.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I mean the modern Republican leadership does have pretty strong values, it's just that they are not the outward ones they espouse. Based on actions, their values are:

1) Repeal abortion. I'd go so far as to say that is the ONLY thing McConnell does with the Senate anymore: hold his grip around the chamber so he can squeeze as many SCOTUS appointees as he can before the hourglass holding his soul empties.

2) Strong emphasis on identity politics. GOP strategists were even going so far as to bank on 70% white voter support in 2016, an almost unheard of idea beforehand, that eclipses even the craziest dreams of the Southern Strategy. Which is a very strange turnaround from the 90s when, at least in the United States, Jewish people were...kiiiiind of? white people. That also includes the net widening for gay people like Milo now that the fight for gay marriage has been lost, they just shifted the wagons to front against the trans community, ceding the ground, for the moment. And that goes into the "melting pot" myth.

And 3) the GOP loves tax cuts, even when the government itself is saying that the $1.5tril Trump cut added ~0 to the economy, so even the primary principle of trickle down is not working in any function anymore. But they still hammer to it, so the loyalty is clearly to the tax cuts themselves, not any of the foundation principles that Reagan tied to their implementation.

The Goldwater myths are just that these days, myths. No one believes in the gods he invoked but they still spread salt at his temples because its traditional. When the Alt-Right took over the party, which is either in 2016 when they finally gained electoral power, but really it's a long climb from 1992 when Pat Buchannon inserted a number of planks, like abortion, into the party platform as a compromise for the primary, the old guard is pushed to the fringe.

The party has values. Strong values. But there's a weird, simulacrum phenomena that a large number of people haven't really caught on to (many Republicans, even, haven't noticed), a euphemism starts its life with broad understanding, but as the past fifty years rolled on people associated the euphemism's core to its language, so that to them, the euphemism WAS the word they wanted ("states rights" for "segregation", for example) even though the word itself, in vacuum, was devoid of their intended meaning. It's like "American Jesus" memes. "Strongly identified Christians vote Republican, Republicans support the gun lobby, therefore as a Christian, I support the gun lobby, it's what Jesus would have wanted, otherwise I couldn't be a Christian."

WTF is the Alt Right? How many Governors, Congressman and Senators do they have?

Well Chicago had a neo nazi running unopposed for the Republican primary.

[Karha of Honor]

I mean the modern Republican leadership does have pretty strong values, it's just that they are not the outward ones they espouse. Based on actions, their values are:

1) Repeal abortion. I'd go so far as to say that is the ONLY thing McConnell does with the Senate anymore: hold his grip around the chamber so he can squeeze as many SCOTUS appointees as he can before the hourglass holding his soul empties.

2) Strong emphasis on identity politics. GOP strategists were even going so far as to bank on 70% white voter support in 2016, an almost unheard of idea beforehand, that eclipses even the craziest dreams of the Southern Strategy. Which is a very strange turnaround from the 90s when, at least in the United States, Jewish people were...kiiiiind of? white people. That also includes the net widening for gay people like Milo now that the fight for gay marriage has been lost, they just shifted the wagons to front against the trans community, ceding the ground, for the moment. And that goes into the "melting pot" myth.

And 3) the GOP loves tax cuts, even when the government itself is saying that the $1.5tril Trump cut added ~0 to the economy, so even the primary principle of trickle down is not working in any function anymore. But they still hammer to it, so the loyalty is clearly to the tax cuts themselves, not any of the foundation principles that Reagan tied to their implementation.

The Goldwater myths are just that these days, myths. No one believes in the gods he invoked but they still spread salt at his temples because its traditional. When the Alt-Right took over the party, which is either in 2016 when they finally gained electoral power, but really it's a long climb from 1992 when Pat Buchannon inserted a number of planks, like abortion, into the party platform as a compromise for the primary, the old guard is pushed to the fringe.

The party has values. Strong values. But there's a weird, simulacrum phenomena that a large number of people haven't really caught on to (many Republicans, even, haven't noticed), a euphemism starts its life with broad understanding, but as the past fifty years rolled on people associated the euphemism's core to its language, so that to them, the euphemism WAS the word they wanted ("states rights" for "segregation", for example) even though the word itself, in vacuum, was devoid of their intended meaning. It's like "American Jesus" memes. "Strongly identified Christians vote Republican, Republicans support the gun lobby, therefore as a Christian, I support the gun lobby, it's what Jesus would have wanted, otherwise I couldn't be a Christian."

WTF is the Alt Right? How many Governors, Congressman and Senators do they have?

Well Chicago had a neo nazi running unopposed for the Republican primary.

Now we are actually getting somewhere in this discussion.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I mean the modern Republican leadership does have pretty strong values, it's just that they are not the outward ones they espouse. Based on actions, their values are:

1) Repeal abortion. I'd go so far as to say that is the ONLY thing McConnell does with the Senate anymore: hold his grip around the chamber so he can squeeze as many SCOTUS appointees as he can before the hourglass holding his soul empties.

2) Strong emphasis on identity politics. GOP strategists were even going so far as to bank on 70% white voter support in 2016, an almost unheard of idea beforehand, that eclipses even the craziest dreams of the Southern Strategy. Which is a very strange turnaround from the 90s when, at least in the United States, Jewish people were...kiiiiind of? white people. That also includes the net widening for gay people like Milo now that the fight for gay marriage has been lost, they just shifted the wagons to front against the trans community, ceding the ground, for the moment. And that goes into the "melting pot" myth.

And 3) the GOP loves tax cuts, even when the government itself is saying that the $1.5tril Trump cut added ~0 to the economy, so even the primary principle of trickle down is not working in any function anymore. But they still hammer to it, so the loyalty is clearly to the tax cuts themselves, not any of the foundation principles that Reagan tied to their implementation.

The Goldwater myths are just that these days, myths. No one believes in the gods he invoked but they still spread salt at his temples because its traditional. When the Alt-Right took over the party, which is either in 2016 when they finally gained electoral power, but really it's a long climb from 1992 when Pat Buchannon inserted a number of planks, like abortion, into the party platform as a compromise for the primary, the old guard is pushed to the fringe.

The party has values. Strong values. But there's a weird, simulacrum phenomena that a large number of people haven't really caught on to (many Republicans, even, haven't noticed), a euphemism starts its life with broad understanding, but as the past fifty years rolled on people associated the euphemism's core to its language, so that to them, the euphemism WAS the word they wanted ("states rights" for "segregation", for example) even though the word itself, in vacuum, was devoid of their intended meaning. It's like "American Jesus" memes. "Strongly identified Christians vote Republican, Republicans support the gun lobby, therefore as a Christian, I support the gun lobby, it's what Jesus would have wanted, otherwise I couldn't be a Christian."

WTF is the Alt Right? How many Governors, Congressman and Senators do they have?

Well Chicago had a neo nazi running unopposed for the Republican primary.

Now we are actually getting somewhere in this discussion.

Well not really considering Chicago is chronically Democratic.

It tends to say more that he was allowed on the ballot, but that in itself isn't doesn't say much about alt-right's reach.