DIS: “Will You Take My Hand?”

[Karha of Honor]

The fuck are you even on about with this semantic bullshit? Acting like a dick is what makes you a dick. When someone acts like a dick you can say their acting like a dick, or you can call them a dick. It means the same thing.

It's not semantics for me. One period or act does not always define a man.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's definitely different from the original Kirk, but I mean it is understandable to say the least. He thought Spock had his back and not lying for him left him hanging.

[TrueMetis]

The fuck are you even on about with this semantic bullshit? Acting like a dick is what makes you a dick. When someone acts like a dick you can say their acting like a dick, or you can call them a dick. It means the same thing.

It's not semantics for me. One period or act does not always define a man.

But this isn't one period, it's a continuing trend because we've still got all the dickish behaviour from the first movie that was never cancelled out, and a whole bunch more dickish behaviour afterward. Why are you treating this like it's an isolated incident when it clearly isn't?

Also this isn't a small act, this is him expecting another person to risk their career by telling an easily caught lie in order to protect his career.

It's definitely different from the original Kirk, but I mean it is understandable to say the least. He thought Spock had his back and not lying for him left him hanging.

I personally don't find it understandable to expect the guy from the species that abhors lying to lie for you, but YMMV.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's definitely different from the original Kirk, but I mean it is understandable to say the least. He thought Spock had his back and not lying for him left him hanging.

I personally don't find it understandable to expect the guy from the species that abhors lying to lie for you, but YMMV.

Details.

[Admiral X]

One of the biggest problems there was that they JJ movies never actually established friendship between them. They just coasted on the audience being familiar with the original versions of the characters and took the idea of them being friends for granted without having to work for it at all.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

One of the biggest problems there was that they JJ movies never actually established friendship between them. They just coasted on the audience being familiar with the original versions of the characters and took the idea of them being friends for granted without having to work for it at all.

Well the worst of that sentiment was the Khan reveal. Not about Kirk and Spock being friends but just it only means something to the audience when it happened.

And a specific audience at that.

[Asvarduil]

I personally think that How It Should Have Ended nailed the Khan reveal.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I personally think that How It Should Have Ended nailed the Khan reveal.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. And that was when I still watched HISHE regularly.

[Karha of Honor]

The fuck are you even on about with this semantic bullshit? Acting like a dick is what makes you a dick. When someone acts like a dick you can say their acting like a dick, or you can call them a dick. It means the same thing.

It's not semantics for me. One period or act does not always define a man.

But this isn't one period, it's a continuing trend because we've still got all the dickish behaviour from the first movie that was never cancelled out, and a whole bunch more dickish behaviour afterward. Why are you treating this like it's an isolated incident when it clearly isn't?

Also this isn't a small act, this is him expecting another person to risk their career by telling an easily caught lie in order to protect his career.

I say his dickishness was softenning.

It's kinda hard for me to be objective, i hate the Prime Directive.

[Fianna]

What I don't get is why Kirk just assumed Spock would lie to back up Kirk's report. Did he never discuss this with Spock at all? Actually ask Spock to lie so Kirk wouldn't get in trouble? Because, if not, then forget being a dick, he's just an idiot.