Looks like gun control is back on the menu, boyz!

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Looks like gun control is back on the menu, boyz!

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Well, conceptually, anyway.
On Wednesday, for the first time in a generation, the U.S. House passed new gun control legislation, by a vote of 240-190.

The legislation — and another bill scheduled for a vote — reflects a confluence of events, including a newly empowered House Democratic majority, the apparently diminishing clout of the National Rifle Association, and the activism of a generation of young Americans following years of deadly school shootings.

The House bill would require background checks on all commercial gun sales, including those at gun shows and over the internet. The bill also had five Republican co-sponsors, led by New York Rep. Peter King, who had tried — and failed — for several years to advance the bill while his party controlled the chamber.

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That bill would close the so-called “Charleston loophole,” which allows the sale of a firearm to proceed if a background check is not completed within three days. It’s a loophole that allowed Dylann Roof to obtain his weapon with which he murdered nine people at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015. Had the FBI background check been completed, he would have been blocked because it would have been revealed that he had previously admitted to drug possession.
Right off the bat, let's establish that this has no chance of actually becoming law. The President has vowed to veto it and there isn't enough support in the house to override a veto, but even that is irrelevant, because it will probably never see the light of day in the Senate, and even if it did, it would be voted down. But hey...we're not here to craft law but to talk about it, so let's talk.

As a liberal who has no particular problem with guns, I don't really mind expanded background checks, although as always, the devil is in the details. It's fine to say that I need to do a background check on Antiboyscout before I sell him a gun, but you also need to give me a reasonable way to do that as a private citizen. Fortunately, this is a problem that modern technology SHOULD be able to solve. It should be feasible for the Feds to set up a website where I can enter in ABS's info, and it can run a scan of all relevant databases before giving me the green light. Email me a certificate or something saying he's clear so I have something to print or save for my own records. Basically an electronic version of the 4473 form. Frankly, it's been overdue for some time now.

However, I'm very leery of closing the so-called "Charleston loophole." The system has to be fail-open, otherwise, you're just setting it up to run afoul of the Constitution. The first time someone's purchase gets held up indefinitely because somebody at the FBI loses the paperwork, we're going to see a court challenge and the government will lose, assuming the 2nd Amendment is still around. Removing that loophole also means you're setting up a de-facto gun-ban, and that isn't going to fly with anyone on the right, which means your odds of getting this passed fall dramatically. That doesn't mean we have to leave things as they are...if 3 days isn't long enough, maybe we could extend that to 5, or maybe we could allocate some money to hire some more agents to process this paperwork, or maybe we could write some automated system that would greatly speed up turnaround...any or all of these things would probably work, but at the end of the day, you have to leave the system fail-open.
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What? You're not gonna stop violence by taking away everybody's guns.
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If this passed 240-190 in the house, why are you so skeptical about it passing in the senate?
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:20 am If this passed 240-190 in the house, why are you so skeptical about it passing in the senate?
Because the Republicans have a majority in the Senate. Which means, not only would it not pass, it probably won't even be brought to the floor. McConnell controls the agenda, after all.
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LittleRaven wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:41 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:20 am If this passed 240-190 in the house, why are you so skeptical about it passing in the senate?
Because the Republicans have a majority in the Senate. Which means, not only would it not pass, it probably won't even be brought to the floor. McConnell controls the agenda, after all.
For some reason I thought that 240 against 190 was way more than 55%.
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Gun control is NOT taking away everyone's guns. Only in the more hard-line elements. I think the majority of gun control advocates just want proper gun safety regulations. It's scary how often they fall into the wrong hands, and just how many irresponsible gun owners we have in this country.
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Yukaphile wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:52 am Gun control is NOT taking away everyone's guns. Only in the more hard-line elements. I think the majority of gun control advocates just want proper gun safety regulations. It's scary how often they fall into the wrong hands, and just how many irresponsible gun owners we have in this country.
Well I believe the right's response goes something like "yeah that's what they want you to think."
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Frankly I don't want to hear anything from any moral busybodies trying to tell my what kinds of guns I can own. And plenty of them have admitted right up front that they simply want to ban everything, so it's a nonstarter. There's already been too much compromise - if anything it's time to swing the pendulum the other way.
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If you want to own a machine gun, you better damn well go through tons of background checks and undergo a long waiting period. And if you're mentally ill, then... no, it's not for you.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:45 amFor some reason I thought that 240 against 190 was way more than 55%.
What does that have to do with anything?
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