Captain Marvel: The MCU's First Failure?

[clearspira]

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film ... -1.3792529

Here's my fave tidbit:

''I do not need a 40-YEAR-OLD WHITE DUDE to tell me what didn’t work for him about 'A Wrinkle In Time.'" —Brie Larson.

You can't see how that can be misconstrued?

[Makeshift Python]

I can see how that would be read by an insecure white person.

And in the same article: “Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive.”

Which is a lot different from saying "we need to ban all white men".

[Admiral X]

Okay, so that brings us back to the first question...who is "them"?

I already explained. Are you going to continue implying a conspiracy theory?

And if you were not referring to this whole brouhaha with RT changing their system, then what is going that qualifies as this "outrage marketing"?

The media stories that are being put forward with the same kind of claims of misogyny as was utilized for both Star Wars and Ghostbusters. I fully expect the studio to take advantage of this just as the others did.

The Ghostbusters reboot didn't fail because of "outrage marketing", it failed because it sucked.

I never claimed otherwise. I simply pointed it out as a previous example of outrage marketing, where you literally had both people who had worked on the film and interested parties in the media claiming that just not being interested in watching the movie meant you were sexist. Something very similar is happening now with this movie and it's only fair to draw comparisons.

I can see how that would be read by an insecure white person.

Yeah, the same way what you just said - racist and sexist.

Which is a lot different from saying "we need to ban all white men".

What she said and how she said it was both condescending and bigoted.

[MixedDrops]

I already explained. Are you going to continue implying a conspiracy theory?

The media stories that are being put forward with the same kind of claims of misogyny as was utilized for both Star Wars and Ghostbusters. I fully expect the studio to take advantage of this just as the others did.

I just feel like you aren't being elaborate enough with your explanations, because you still only clarified by saying that you weren't specifying anyone when you first said "them". Okay, so let me see if I got your claim right:

1. People may or may not be trolling reviews for a piece of media (be it Ghostbusters or Captain Marvel)
2. Some asshats write clickbait about it
3. Studio takes advantage of the situation to further market their film

My only problem is just that when you say "them" the way you did, it sounds as if you're accusing this of being some kind of agreed upon tactic by the people involved (ie both the studio and news/clickbait sites) to market the movie, which would be a conspiracy theory.

If your point is instead that studios opportunistically take advantage of a situation like that to get free marketing, then that'd make some sense. I can see someone making that argument with Ghostbusters though, because that was the only case where it was directly addressed by people involved with the film. I remember the director and actors working on the film talking a bit about it, but as I recall, it only under the context of being asked about it in interviews. I remember no such action from Disney in regards to either Star Wars or Captain Marvel, it was just people writing clickbait and people getting outraged about it.

Captain Marvel does lean in on the "grrl power" stuff in its marketing, but I don't see how that's any different than how you'd advertise something like a Powerpuff Girls or Red Sonja movie or something.

[Admiral X]

The types of buzz words used mainly, and the way it's presented. Doubt you'd get anyone to argue that Red Sonya was a feminist movie.

And I already explained my use of the word "them" as referencing the claim by RT that they shut down and altered the anticipation score as a reaction to "trolls." The only way to make that case would be to let it play out and see if it reflected the actual numbers. I see far too much emphasis being put on sites like RT as somehow effecting a movie's performance, and the result thus far has been censorship.

[MixedDrops]

And I already explained my use of the word "them" as referencing the claim by RT that they shut down and altered the anticipation score as a reaction to "trolls." The only way to make that case would be to let it play out and see if it reflected the actual numbers. I see far too much emphasis being put on sites like RT as somehow effecting a movie's performance, and the result thus far has been censorship.

You referenced "them" in two different contexts in the first post I'm referring to, and I've consistently been asking you to clarify on your second use of it but you always go back to pointing at your first use of it. Here is what you first said:

You know, if they really wanted to prove this was just trolls or whatever, all they'd have had to do was wait until after this movie came out and obviously a lot more people went to see it. It would have had the added benefit of calming down the people who are panicking about the thought people might not go to see the movie depending on what the various scores on RT say.

As it is, I'm taking this as yet another example of outrage marketing, and I have a feeling it might backfire on them the way it did with the Ghostbusters reboot.

The conversation then goes:

Who is "them"?

"Them" wuold be RT, as they made the claim.

you also claimed that they're doing it to "outrage market" a film that's under a completely different media conglomerate. Explain?

You'll notice there was a paragraph break there, and that I don't specify anyone in particular there.

Okay, so that brings us back to the first question...who is "them"?

I already explained. Are you going to continue implying a conspiracy theory?

I don't know if you're just not understanding what I'm asking or if you're just being evasive, but I don't think I can be any clearer about it now: Who is the "them" you are referencing in the context of this situation backfiring on someone?

And once you've answered that question, explain how that same party is trying to capitalize on "outrage marketing"?

[Sir Will]

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film ... -1.3792529

Here's my fave tidbit:

''I do not need a 40-YEAR-OLD WHITE DUDE to tell me what didn’t work for him about 'A Wrinkle In Time.'" —Brie Larson.

You can't see how that can be misconstrued?

Yes. But misconstrue you are. She wasn't talking about fucking banning white men.

[Zoinksberg]

Here's an exercise: Take the quote and turn it around. Does it become misogynistic when you do that? Then your defense of it is a double standard.

"I do not need a 40-YEAR-OLD WHITE WOMAN to tell me what didn't work for her about the original Ghostbusters."

[clearspira]

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film ... -1.3792529

Here's my fave tidbit:

''I do not need a 40-YEAR-OLD WHITE DUDE to tell me what didn’t work for him about 'A Wrinkle In Time.'" —Brie Larson.

You can't see how that can be misconstrued?

Yes. But misconstrue you are. She wasn't talking about fucking banning white men.

1 i never said i agreed, sport. Reading comprehension. Get some.
2 it was still a stupid thing to say unless you live under a rock.
3 doesnt matter if you don't agree. I am subbed to several 100, 000 plus sub YouTube channels that do. They wield a tasty power to influence in 2019.

[clearspira]

Here's an exercise: Take the quote and turn it around. Does it become misogynistic when you do that? Then your defense of it is a double standard.

"I do not need a 40-YEAR-OLD WHITE WOMAN to tell me what didn't work for her about the original Ghostbusters."

Absolutely true.