Captain Marvel: The MCU's First Failure?

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And that's totally relevant if social issues are constricted to interpersonal treatment and behavior instead of larger scale systemic factors.
..What mirror universe?
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:59 pm Brie Larson said that she didn't care about the opinions of white men about A Wrinkle in Time. Do I need to give the definition of discrimination?
That's not the same thing as saying "we need to ban white men". No need to overreact. :)
Admiral X wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:01 pm
Makeshift Python wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:26 pm Brie Larson wants inclusivity, not discrimination. She saw that there was a larger number of white men in press junkets than any other demographic and wanted to correct that by bringing more women and POC.
Ah yes, inclusivity through excluding specific groups of people. Totally makes sense.
She never said anything about excluding white men from press junkets. Inclusivity means all demographics that INCLUDES white men.
This is what I mean by white male fragility. Those with that always seem to think the objective is to supplant them rather than bring in more women and POC.
And it's still racist and sexist of you to say so.
Nah, it's a simple fact. That's why the KKK exists, after all. It's a mental disease that needs to be done away with if we truly want to live in a society that doesn't give privilege to one demographic over others on a conscious and subconscious level. As long as we have that ingrained in our society, programs like affirmative action is a necessity.
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It's kind of funny how her defenders keep coming back to some people interpreting her comments as banning white men as a way to brush off that the actual words she said are 100% sexist. Which, as was said above, is a mental disease that needs to be done away with.
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Larson's point was that forty year old white men aren't the target demographic of that film. Somebody pointed out to me the other day Nostalgia Critic's review of the film where it seemed a lot of things went way over his head. He should probably just stick to reviewing nostalgia material.
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I consider them prejudiced, and I'm a white guy who believes in white privilege, so... take that as you will.
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Yukaphile wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:47 pm I'm a white guy who believes in white privilege, so... take that as you will.
What a racist thing to say! How could you be against your own kind???

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Wrinkle in Time is a book that was required reading in many schools. A movie based upon it is therefore both nostalgic and relevant to male and female.
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Makeshift Python wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:24 pm
Darth Wedgius wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:59 pm Brie Larson said that she didn't care about the opinions of white men about A Wrinkle in Time. Do I need to give the definition of discrimination?
That's not the same thing as saying "we need to ban white men". No need to overreact. :)
So what you're trying to say is,
Brie Larson doesn't want to ban white men. Brie Larson wants to discriminate against white men. There's a difference there, and some people think the latter is just fine. Because, for some people, the problem isn't racism or sexism, the problem is that the targets were the wrong people.
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Makeshift Python wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:33 pm Larson's point was that forty year old white men aren't the target demographic of that film. Somebody pointed out to me the other day Nostalgia Critic's review of the film where it seemed a lot of things went way over his head. He should probably just stick to reviewing nostalgia material.
Well it's kinda ridiculous in that these protocols of identity sensitivity come about due to the circumstance of a dominant culture. It has to do with battling marginalization or oppression. People just treat it like it all revolves around saying the right words for sensitivity sake.

When she's specifically talking about a dominated field by a very particular identity, and when it's painfully obvious the statement means that she's looking for an opinion out of that dominant field, something more relatable to her, or even with a respect for the right sociological lens, it does come off maybe not fragile in that regard, but pervasive of how we understand bigotry.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:01 pm
Makeshift Python wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:24 pm
Darth Wedgius wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:59 pm Brie Larson said that she didn't care about the opinions of white men about A Wrinkle in Time. Do I need to give the definition of discrimination?
That's not the same thing as saying "we need to ban white men". No need to overreact. :)
So what you're trying to say is,
Brie Larson doesn't want to ban white men. Brie Larson wants to discriminate against white men. There's a difference there, and some people think the latter is just fine. Because, for some people, the problem isn't racism or sexism, the problem is that the targets were the wrong people.
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No, I wasn't. There's a large number of white male journalists than any other demographic, and Larson is confronting that by saying there should be more diversity in the field, as opposed to white males dominating it in large numbers.
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