Looks like gun control is back on the menu, boyz!

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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:28 am What? You're not gonna stop violence by taking away everybody's guns.
Actually, that mostly did happen in Britain. Our gun deaths per year are miniscule. The fact is though that it WON'T WORK in America as we never had your gun culture. Banning guns in Britain worked because there weren't that many guns; banning guns in America would just create a free for all where only the criminals would be armed. Its too late for you to stop violence by taking away everyone's guns.
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I have to add that from our perspective American ''gun control'' looks Hellish. Not saying our way is better BTW, but the shit that you guys can buy freely is silly. There ever likely to be an enemy that the average citizen would need a drum mag for is there?
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clearspira wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:13 pm I have to add that from our perspective American ''gun control'' looks Hellish. Not saying our way is better BTW, but the shit that you guys can buy freely is silly. There ever likely to be an enemy that the average citizen would need a drum mag for is there?
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:09 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:13 pm I have to add that from our perspective American ''gun control'' looks Hellish. Not saying our way is better BTW, but the shit that you guys can buy freely is silly. There ever likely to be an enemy that the average citizen would need a drum mag for is there?
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Fair point. We have gangs here, but I forget that they aren't like your gangs. Although that does go back to point one: banning guns is suicide in the US.
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Well, on the plus side, it means if Putin gets his wish in starting a new Cold War that then turns hot, and tries to invade us, guns will be easy to come across for the average citizen, plus invading a country surrounded on both sides by sea and allies is a logistical nightmare. It's why that bastard floated the idea of buying back Alaska. He'd love to have a place parked close enough to us to restart the Cuban Missile Crisis ALL over again. Hate him.
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@clearspira Also, most people won't give up their guns, even when it's for the greater good, as I have. Oh, some of them could cite practical reasons for it, hunting (which is useless in the modern era), or home defense (which you can accomplish via other, less lethal means like a baseball bat, tazer, mace, or what have you), but in truth, it's just that we're a nation of cowboys founded on the idea of glorifying our great revolt against the proper authorities, and so there's a strain of anarchism in our culture that when combined with gun worship and vigilantism, is a dangerous combination. People cling to their guns and their bibles, as President Obama said. Hell, some poor fools are so deluded enough to think that if you had enough guns and private citizen militias, you could overthrow the government. YES, REALLY. Going up against the full force of the military, and winning. Admiral X is one of them. That shows how deep our cowboy ideas and gun culture and worship of violence goes.
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Yukaphile wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:29 pm @clearspira Also, most people won't give up their guns, even when it's for the greater good, as I have. Oh, some of them could cite practical reasons for it, hunting (which is useless in the modern era), or home defense (which you can accomplish via other, less lethal means like a baseball bat, tazer, mace, or what have you), but in truth, it's just that we're a nation of cowboys founded on the idea of glorifying our great revolt against the proper authorities, and so there's a strain of anarchism in our culture that when combined with gun worship and vigilantism, is a dangerous combination. People cling to their guns and their bibles, as President Obama said. Hell, some poor fools are so deluded enough to think that if you had enough guns and private citizen militias, you could overthrow the government. YES, REALLY. Going up against the full force of the military, and winning. Admiral X is one of them. That shows how deep our cowboy ideas and gun culture and worship of violence goes.
It is an interesting discussion. I would say that Afghanistan and Vietnam proves that low-tech soldiers who know the terrain can fight and defend against the US government for years if need be. And the US actually has similar terrain to Afghanistan in that it has a lot of open desert where you could burrow in and hide.
My problem with the premise is that it won't happen. The average modern person raised on a diet of plentiful food, comfortable living, warm homes, the internet etc. isn't going to want to spend the next five years in a cave eating scraps and probably wouldn't know how. It would take something huge and extremely unlikely for it to happen, and I mean, ''the President bombing his own citizens'' huge.
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And yet we still can't give up our guns despite being overweight gluttons. Ironic, eh?
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All well and good for legally acquired guns but what about illegally acquired guns.
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They were trying to challenge the NRA about black-marketing in courts, which I hear led to that 2005 bill where Sanders and so many other Congressmen shielded the NRA from lawsuits. Here's the article.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... ck-market/
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