Captain Marvel: The MCU's First Failure?

[clearspira]

Prediction: There will be a new laser focus for the CM detractors after it opens. The will be the second weekend drop-off rate. Even if its perfectly normal for most movies, they'll make out the number to be 'huge' in order to push their narrative. They did it with Doctor Who's ratings.

Dr who's ratings did drop though. And 'most' movies are not marvel movies.

[Yukaphile]

I doubt it was because they made the Doctor a woman, though. Or because of "political correctness" though. Could just be they think the stories are beginning to suck. It's been on the air for more than ten years. That was around the time Trek started to suck, with the exception of DS9.

[Makeshift Python]

Fanboy complaints over Doctor Who being cast as a woman is honestly something I’ll never get.

[Yukaphile]

They wanted that in the early 1980s. And Dax realized that archetype long before Who did it.

[Admiral X]

I doubt it was because they made the Doctor a woman, though. Or because of "political correctness" though. Could just be they think the stories are beginning to suck.

Actually I'm pretty sure it has to do with the politics of the show, which have shifted noticeably the past few years. Used to be a fun, fairly apolitical show, but then the people making it decided it needed to push an agenda, and people don't like getting preached at. And it seems the quality of the writing has gone down since it seems more concerned with virtue signalling than with telling a good story, so I suppose you could say it's both.

[MrL1992]

Prediction: There will be a new laser focus for the CM detractors after it opens. The will be the second weekend drop-off rate. Even if its perfectly normal for most movies, they'll make out the number to be 'huge' in order to push their narrative. They did it with Doctor Who's ratings.

Dr who's ratings did drop though. And 'most' movies are not marvel movies.

they're the highest average figures in years. TV Dramas lodi g viewers most weeks is the norm. And no, Marvel movies aren't special in regard to Box Office drops. The higher you open, the more you will drop the following week. Infinity War dropped over 50% its se one weekend which isn't abnormal for such a High opener but one could easily twist it into a negative headline by stripping away all context.

[Yukaphile]

@Admiral X Again, I repeat, they wanted to make the Doctor a woman since the 1980s, but only in today's climate could they do that. If anything, it shows how far we've come. So making the Doctor female is not inherently political. It's only political if you call attention to it.

[Darth Wedgius]

"Punching up" always varies depending on cultural context. Making n-word jokes in Nigeria is not really the same thing as making jokes about white Christian fundamentalists in the US. It's not even strictly about economic and academic success, otherwise we wouldn't have redneck jokes.

So where in the world is it OK to discriminate against anybody who isn't white for their race? What are the rules here?

[clearspira]

I doubt it was because they made the Doctor a woman, though. Or because of "political correctness" though. Could just be they think the stories are beginning to suck.

Actually I'm pretty sure it has to do with the politics of the show, which have shifted noticeably the past few years. Used to be a fun, fairly apolitical show, but then the people making it decided it needed to push an agenda, and people don't like getting preached at. And it seems the quality of the writing has gone down since it seems more concerned with virtue signalling than with telling a good story, so I suppose you could say it's both.

Yep. Making her a woman is just the end of the chain. This series we got Rosa Parks and a Brexit episode where UNIT is now some diminished power. It has to be said though that the classic series wasn't immune to politics (The Happiness Patrol springs to mind) but it is on a different level now.
As I have said before, I don't think she is crap, I think she is vanilla and by the numbers - which is worse. Crap is far more interesting than boring.

[Karha of Honor]

I don't really see a push for more original female superheroes that obscure. The smiling controversy isn't that big of a deal. And the whole thing about male journalists didn't have anything to do with this or even one of her movies. So this is part of what I'm getting at, is I'm just not following specifically.

I see Chris Pratt drone on quite a bit about his religion quite a bit now in days. That's opposite of left, and potentially just as dry.

It'd help better if you talked about Rightists hanging in the closet instead of leftist privilege. There's sure a good number of outspoken leftists in comparison, but that makes sense when you're in the entertainment industry and not really bound to conservative lifestyle. BTW Robert Downey Jr. is proud conservative after his rehabilitation. I've always got a big impression that Disney is conservative appropriate with stuff. Fox sure isn't in the closet one bit. Bruce Willis, open Trump supporter who didn't particularly get thrown out.

Higher education? You mean like STEM that often time maybe requires some token sociological driven classes as part of gen ed curriculum? Maybe more social science curriculums that talk about how social conditions 25 hours a day. That's kind of where leftist principles cultivate (that don't really fare well in the job market btw). My degree was very bipartisan.

It's incredibly obscure.You think there would giant petitions of the press was not pushing for it? Superheroine walks with thousands of people?

What she said about male journalists fits nicely with the political shit sandwich Disney is pushing.

What does this dronning on quite a bit mean?

Why is speaking out a lifestyle thing exaclty? Also the Right has many variants.

I recall Downey alluding to it once when confronted about it. But not outright saying it. Source?

They wanna see right wingers burn, they just like the child friendly brand.

If Bruce Willis was hot property he would get some the Chris Pratt treatment. Also being a former star gives you some minimum immunity against prog bs. Also he is a DTV guy now and only got to star in his recent movie because long ago he stared in a Shalmayan movie.

I mean what the professors and administrators identify as.

Slash, in what parallel timeline is Feminism, AKA the movement that has gathered various forms of controversy for decades, the political force that gave us women's suffrage, the thing which companies like Credo and Dove try to use as a gimmick to sell their products, considered "obscure"? If I drag a dozen random people off the street can you tell me that even one of them hasn't heard of feminism?

Everyone heard of monarchism, does not mean it's not obscure.