Are modern audiences suffering from a case of lowered expectations?

[Riedquat]

Conversely it's too easy to defend ther current situation with "there was a load of rubbish in the past too." Was it a higher or lower proportion, and have we learned over time?

That all said the easier it is to throw more stuff out the harder it is for the good to be noticed, and the less special it is anyway. Over exposure of anything kills off the joy.

[Yukaphile]

The big problem I see is that STD feels like fanfiction (just from reading reviews), the new Star Wars movies are big and flashy but at their core hardly deviate from the prototypical fan-headspace (though I'm still bitter about Legends, so take this with a grain of salt), and the Transformers movies... do I even need to go on about them? Chuck did two reviews about them and they were spot on. I haven't gone to see a Transformers movie since 2011, which was the last year I went to the theater, though what I read in articles and reviews and comments and blogs says to me a lot of people feel tired of the Bay formula, that after twelve years, it's finally crashed. I think Mark Hamill summed it up best when he said look at how much shit they throw into the Transformers movies, and he was simply "too old" to follow it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S2zsCaOOmE

[Draco Dracul]

I think Rian Johnson really went after it to make TLJ a truly creative and original film, so I give him props for that... unfortunately, the film fails, imo.

I read a recent article where Luke Skywalker was saying that what they did with the character still doesn't sit quite right with him. He talked about how he felt kinda bait and switched given that they killed off Han in the first movie and him in the second.

Particularly he didn't feel that Jedis just give up and retreat like he did.

Which is funny, because the Jedi did just that.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think Rian Johnson really went after it to make TLJ a truly creative and original film, so I give him props for that... unfortunately, the film fails, imo.

I read a recent article where Luke Skywalker was saying that what they did with the character still doesn't sit quite right with him. He talked about how he felt kinda bait and switched given that they killed off Han in the first movie and him in the second.

Particularly he didn't feel that Jedis just give up and retreat like he did.

Which is funny, because the Jedi did just that.

The sith had taken over the Republic at that point. With Luke it was just a brush with influence.

[Yukaphile]

^ Exactly.

[Draco Dracul]

I think Rian Johnson really went after it to make TLJ a truly creative and original film, so I give him props for that... unfortunately, the film fails, imo.

I read a recent article where Luke Skywalker was saying that what they did with the character still doesn't sit quite right with him. He talked about how he felt kinda bait and switched given that they killed off Han in the first movie and him in the second.

Particularly he didn't feel that Jedis just give up and retreat like he did.

Which is funny, because the Jedi did just that.

The sith had taken over the Republic at that point. With Luke it was just a brush with influence.

So it's more noble to run when a threat only you know the true magnitude of rules the galaxy than to run when the only threat is a seemingly minor one that you have every reason believe the galaxy can stop without you? It's not like they were even training someone to take up their sword, Obiwan didn't train Luke at all for 19 years, and Yoda was ready to competently turn Luke away despite being less than a year from death.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think Rian Johnson really went after it to make TLJ a truly creative and original film, so I give him props for that... unfortunately, the film fails, imo.

I read a recent article where Luke Skywalker was saying that what they did with the character still doesn't sit quite right with him. He talked about how he felt kinda bait and switched given that they killed off Han in the first movie and him in the second.

Particularly he didn't feel that Jedis just give up and retreat like he did.

Which is funny, because the Jedi did just that.

The sith had taken over the Republic at that point. With Luke it was just a brush with influence.

So it's more noble to run when a threat only you know the true magnitude of rules the galaxy than to run when the only threat is a seemingly minor one that you have every reason believe the galaxy can stop without you? It's not like they were even training someone to take up their sword, Obiwan didn't train Luke at all for 19 years, and Yoda was ready to competently turn Luke away despite being less than a year from death.

huh?

[Yukaphile]

Need I remind you, that when the Jedi of the prequels ran, it was when Palpatine had instituted a police state backed up by stormtroopers and had wiped out nearly most of the 10,000 Jedi? And that this was greeted with enthusiasm and approval by the Senate and the galaxy's denizens? Palpatine was full-blown Hitler, blaming them for the war and plotting to overthrow the Republic, so the Jedi had little support among the galaxy's populations. It doesn't help the Jedi maintain a pseudo secret society that is answerable to very few in the Republican hierarchy, so that the Jedi NEVER ran and hid. They actually were waiting until "the time is right." From all accounts, Last Jedi Luke wasn't doing that. He had fully embraced the "Jedi are the suck" attitude.

[Madner Kami]

Palpatine had instituted a polite state backed up by stormtroopers and had wiped out nearly most of the 10,000 Jedi?

Best typo I've seen all day. Thanks for lighting up my mood

[Yukaphile]

Oh dear.