Captain Marvel: The MCU's First Failure?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Oddly specific narrative you posted there, I must say.

AV Club made a big fuss over it. Implications are pretty concerning sure, but I don't really remember what she did in Infinity War. I remember she had a pretty active part in Black Panther. I'm pretty sure this is the same woman people pitted up against Wonder Woman? Then some snarky feminist ran some quip about how they wouldn't fight, but instead come up with a plan together to take down the more prominent issue they faced as people on the same side... As if women on Themyscira don't regularly commence in brutal sparring competitions with each other.

[MissKittyFantastico]

'Narrative' seems a bit grandiose, it's just a guess based on as much as I know of how movie posters get put together - which isn't a whole heck of a lot, admittedly.

She and Diana do both feel like the kind who, if they ran into each other weapons drawn, would take a moment to state their case and pay attention to the reply, rather than just deciding it's go time BvS style. Given they're both clever and eloquent, I can see them only needing a few words between them to realise maybe they don't have to fight. Any scenario where Themyscira and Wakanda are genuinely at each other's throats and Okoye and Di do need to take each other down feels like it'd be unsatisfyingly contrived.

They'd totally spar, though. I mean Diana, literally superhuman, would have to hold back a bit, but once they'd gauged each other with a few opening moves they'd absolutely go at it ferociously and totally destroy whatever training room they're in before going to get beers after.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

'Narrative' seems a bit grandiose, it's just a guess based on as much as I know of how movie posters get put together - which isn't a whole heck of a lot, admittedly.

She and Diana do both feel like the kind who, if they ran into each other weapons drawn, would take a moment to state their case and pay attention to the reply, rather than just deciding it's go time BvS style. Given they're both clever and eloquent, I can see them only needing a few words between them to realise maybe they don't have to fight. Any scenario where Themyscira and Wakanda are genuinely at each other's throats and Okoye and Di do need to take each other down feels like it'd be unsatisfyingly contrived.

They'd totally spar, though. I mean Diana, literally superhuman, would have to hold back a bit, but once they'd gauged each other with a few opening moves they'd absolutely go at it ferociously and totally destroy whatever training room they're in before going to get beers after.

Well yes, Diana is a diplomatic warrior, though I'm not really familiar with Okoye. I just never in the first place envisioned that they thought themselves to be enemies with each other despite it certainly having a place in comic universes.

Btw it was a Marvel writer who said it and not some random person.

https://www.thewrap.com/wonder-woman-ve ... ers-okoye/

[Sir Will]

Okoye didn't do all that much in Infinity War. She was in a few scenes since the climax was there, helped Widow and Wanda take out one of the big bads. I imagine she's on the poster for the reasons MissKitty said. Black Panther was popular so they want somebody from the movie on there and she's the only one we know is still alive. BP is dusted and previous trailers hint his sister was too, though that could be a fake out. So Okoye gets the spot. But she's probably not all that important in the movie.

[clearspira]

'Narrative' seems a bit grandiose, it's just a guess based on as much as I know of how movie posters get put together - which isn't a whole heck of a lot, admittedly.

She and Diana do both feel like the kind who, if they ran into each other weapons drawn, would take a moment to state their case and pay attention to the reply, rather than just deciding it's go time BvS style. Given they're both clever and eloquent, I can see them only needing a few words between them to realise maybe they don't have to fight. Any scenario where Themyscira and Wakanda are genuinely at each other's throats and Okoye and Di do need to take each other down feels like it'd be unsatisfyingly contrived.

They'd totally spar, though. I mean Diana, literally superhuman, would have to hold back a bit, but once they'd gauged each other with a few opening moves they'd absolutely go at it ferociously and totally destroy whatever training room they're in before going to get beers after.

Well yes, Diana is a diplomatic warrior, though I'm not really familiar with Okoye. I just never in the first place envisioned that they thought themselves to be enemies with each other despite it certainly having a place in comic universes.

Btw it was a Marvel writer who said it and not some random person.

https://www.thewrap.com/wonder-woman-ve ... ers-okoye/

Superman and Batman are written in the New 52 ''people want to see their superheroes be assholes'' style in BvS. Fact is that post-Crisis and DCAU Superman and Batman can be pretty diplomatic too.

''Then some snarky feminist ran some quip about how they wouldn't fight, but instead come up with a plan together to take down the more prominent issue they faced as people on the same side... As if women on Themyscira don't regularly commence in brutal sparring competitions with each other.''

Yeah, its the ''the world would be peaceful if women ran it because they cooperate'' argument. Which as anyone who has heard of Queen Victoria, Maggie Thatcher, Elizabeth the 1st etc. knows to be BS.

[Madner Kami]

Yeah, its the ''the world would be peaceful if women ran it because they cooperate'' argument. Which as anyone who has heard of Queen Victoria, Maggie Thatcher, Elizabeth the 1st etc. knows to be BS.

Or anyone who ever worked with women in the same workplace.

Hey, fun anecdote. My workplace (a supermarket) has a special company-wide radio-station and in the news they reported how a scientific study found, that women earn 21% less than men do. Me and a co-worker exchanged a glance and just laughed for a second, because everyone gets the same per-hour-wage in our company, except for bonuses for seniority and fully paid overhours.
Five minutes later I was send out by my market's female boss (she obviously earns more than I do), to collect the shopping trolleys from the parking space and place them in their "garage" in front of our entrance. Usually that means being outside for ~30 minutes and pushing groups of a dozen trolleys from one side of the parking space to our entrance all on your own. Adding to the fun were the usual retards driving around in their cars not paying attention to you trying to steer a line of 300kg of steel around. Oh and it was raining cats and dogs. Never once were any of our women doing that. 21% less for the same work my fucking ass.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

To be fair I see women at Costco doing shopping cart runs quite regularly. Maybe not as much, but they're there.

That 79 cents on the dollar is common knowledge at this point, but any time you have a statistic that points to an average of a broad aggregate, it's not a bad idea to look at the criteria that an observational study is crafted upon.

Not doubting either side, but it may very well account for similar jobs.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Yeah, its the ''the world would be peaceful if women ran it because they cooperate'' argument. Which as anyone who has heard of Queen Victoria, Maggie Thatcher, Elizabeth the 1st etc. knows to be BS.

Or anyone who ever worked with women in the same workplace.

Hey, fun anecdote. My workplace (a supermarket) has a special company-wide radio-station and in the news they reported how a scientific study found, that women earn 21% less than men do. Me and a co-worker exchanged a glance and just laughed for a second, because everyone gets the same per-hour-wage in our company, except for bonuses for seniority and fully paid overhours.
Five minutes later I was send out by my market's female boss (she obviously earns more than I do), to collect the shopping trolleys from the parking space and place them in their "garage" in front of our entrance. Usually that means being outside for ~30 minutes and pushing groups of a dozen trolleys from one side of the parking space to our entrance all on your own. Adding to the fun were the usual retards driving around in their cars not paying attention to you trying to steer a line of 300kg of steel around. Oh and it was raining cats and dogs. Never once were any of our women doing that. 21% less for the same work my fucking ass.

Bitter much?

[Madner Kami]

To be fair I see women at Costco doing shopping cart runs quite regularly. Maybe not as much, but they're there.

Oh I have no doubt that there are plenty of hard working women out there. We have quite a lot of those in our market. But we also have the other end, that constantly asks you to do their work for them or automatically assumes that doing something physically taxing is a job for you, but not for them, just because you have some meat swinging between your legs. In a workplace where you have about a houndred employees, but only 8 of them are men, you tend to notice a few things and patterns.

That 79 cents on the dollar is common knowledge at this point, but any time you have a statistic that points to an average of a broad aggregate, it's not a bad idea to look at the criteria that an observational study is crafted upon.

Not doubting either side, but it may very well account for similar jobs.

It's common knowledge that is flat out wrong, because these figures assume that women work the same jobs men do (they don't) and work the same amount of hours (they don't). These "studies" are comparing a woman sitting at a cash desk for 4h per day, to a man working in the sewers for 8h a day. They compare women who don't work any overhours to men who are always answering the call even on a weekend evening. The result is obviously going to get a bias to one side and this bias is trumped up as a major finding in how women are treated oh so badly. And I am so tired of hearing that same shit repeated day in day out.

[Sir Will]

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/ ... ie_larson/

She's happy with things so far and appreciative of the fans.