Egg Boy

[Draco Dracul]

One doesn't need to agree with what someone has to say to defend their right to say it. That's kind of the point, actually.

Okay, so are you willing to defend my right to say that people don't have the right to spew hatred?

No answer about the tiki torches? I'm shocked, of course.

I'm willing to defend your right to free speech up until but not including a call for violence or coercion that violates others' rights.

It's a reference to the Unite the Right rally where the day prior to the rally the Unite the right protesters beat counterprotesters with tiki torches.

[Admiral X]

Did they? I sure don't remember anything about that. I remember them looking very silly, but that's about it. The only violence I remember was initiated by antifa some days later and culminated in one of the righties driving his car through a crowd of them. And all over some statues...

[Darth Wedgius]

One doesn't need to agree with what someone has to say to defend their right to say it. That's kind of the point, actually.

Okay, so are you willing to defend my right to say that people don't have the right to spew hatred?

No answer about the tiki torches? I'm shocked, of course.

I'm willing to defend your right to free speech up until but not including a call for violence or coercion that violates others' rights.

It's a reference to the Unite the Right rally where the day prior to the rally the Unite the right protesters beat counterprotesters with tiki torches.

Thank you! But from what I've read, that was part of a general fracas involving both sides, and not something I've heard described as a form of defensible speech. Did I miss something?

[Yukaphile]

@Antiboyscout So someone literally calling up someone for politically motivated reasons and threatening to rape or kill them or someone close to them, to influence what they say and do, that's not hate speech? Because that's happened in the past, buddy.

[Admiral X]

No, that'd fall under being a criminal threat, you know, an actual crime.

[Worffan101]

I think the fact getting tossed aside in this debate is that Fraser Anning was egged by a constituent angry at Anning's comments blaming Muslims for being shot by the Christchurch terrorist.

Anning said what he wanted, has the right to free speech, and is not being punished for exercising that right by the government (excepting the specific condemnation by the legislature, which is not restriction on speech but retaliatory speech saying that Fraser Anning is a douchelord). That said, the rest of Australia has expressed their opinion of his speech, up to and including by egging him, and the police are no doubt aware that the likelihood of any Aussie jury actually convicting this kid of anything is basically nil, so they're charging Anning with assault for escalating the situation and hoping that that raging douchewaffle who calls himself a Senator learns how to not be a terrible person from this experience.

[Admiral X]

It's hilarious the people think it's only censorship if the government did it.

Also, if someone say, punched you, for saying something they didn't like, are you just going to say that was a consequence of exercising your right to free speech and expect the person who did it to not face any consequences for it?

[Worffan101]

It's hilarious the people think it's only censorship if the government did it.

Also, if someone say, punched you, for saying something they didn't like, are you just going to say that was a consequence of exercising your right to free speech and expect the person who did it to not face any consequences for it?

Well, yeah. Private citizens have the right to tell others that their speech was disgusting and hateful. That you think otherwise is indicative of you being an 8chan troll who wandered off the dark web.

If I blamed the victims of a mass murder for the murderer's fascist manifesto and insane racist justification for his actions, I would deserve to have my balls cut off and force-fed to me. I would expect to find the law of any just society come down more harshly on me than on anybody who started a fight with me in that case. Also, if I were a legislator, I believe that I should were that the case be held to a higher standard than the average civilian, and that escalating a situation as Anning did is unbecoming of a lawmaker and merits condemnation if not actual punishment.

[Admiral X]

Well, yeah. Private citizens have the right to tell others that their speech was disgusting and hateful. That you think otherwise is indicative of you being an 8chan troll who wandered off the dark web.

No, I think punching someone for something they said is wrong because I'm a civilized human being who thinks such an act is a crime and should be punished as such. Ironic considering I'm the gun nut, huh?

Also, you're assuming this hypothetical is with some weird mirror-universe version of you saying something the real you doesn't agree with. No, my hypothetical is for the real you saying something you heartily agree with, and someone who disagrees with that just punched you in the face for it.

[Worffan101]

Well, yeah. Private citizens have the right to tell others that their speech was disgusting and hateful. That you think otherwise is indicative of you being an 8chan troll who wandered off the dark web.

No, I think punching someone for something they said is wrong because I'm a civilized human being who thinks such an act is a crime and should be punished as such. Ironic considering I'm the gun nut, huh?

Also, you're assuming this hypothetical is with some weird mirror-universe version of you saying something the real you doesn't agree with. No, my hypothetical is for the real you saying something you heartily agree with, and someone who disagrees with that just punched you in the face for it.

If someone EGGS me for saying something stupid as an elected official, I'd take it and laugh, then call them a douchebag. If someone PUNCHES me, I'll call the cops and let them sort it out.

What I wouldn't do is escalate the situation by responding to someone cracking an egg over my head with a punch.