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[Worffan101]

I know plenty about Islam and ISIS, as well as hateful bigots of all stripes. That's why I recognize it in you.

Really? Then how come you think that a death cult that wants to destroy Islam's most sacred site is the same as a religion of 1+ billion?

Pull the other one. You're an 8chan troll and not even a very good one.

[Madner Kami]

Note that the troll, Admiral X, doesn't even dispute that he knows nothing about Muslims, ISIS, or anybody who isn't an 8chan troll like him. He has no response but what his buddies on Gab probably think is a witty one-liner, because he doesn't actually know anything other than the racist bile he learned on 4chan and Breitbart.

Then why don't you make an effort to correct his views or his statements, but instead default to personal attacks? Look, I get the frustration, but you certainly aren't helping in showing how your values and views are better than his.

[Worffan101]

Note that the troll, Admiral X, doesn't even dispute that he knows nothing about Muslims, ISIS, or anybody who isn't an 8chan troll like him. He has no response but what his buddies on Gab probably think is a witty one-liner, because he doesn't actually know anything other than the racist bile he learned on 4chan and Breitbart.

Then why don't you make an effort to correct his views or his statements, but instead default to personal attacks? Look, I get the frustration, but you certainly aren't helping in showing how your values and views are better than his.

I've tried NUMEROUS times. He has clearly shown that he has no interest in learning, simply claiming without evidence to be a Native American as if that wins him social-justice points (and as if social-justice points were even a thing), refusing to back it up with evidence when called on the fact that all his positions are bog-standard alt-right crap, and resorting to dumb memes. His positions are bog-standard racist, Islamophobic crap about how ISIS and Muslims are basically the same thing (despite, as I noted, the fact that ISIS literally wants to annihilate Islam's holiest site, and the fact that ISIS is an apocalyptic semi-syncretic death cult similar to the People's Temple, Branch Davidians, and elements of the early-20th century Yiguandao), and that he's pushing this lunacy the same week that Muslims were mass-murdered in New Zealand by an alt-right terrorist who was radicalized by these very same insane racist beliefs, is disgusting.

I am quite simply done with these people. I've tried being nice, I've tried ignoring the snide insinuations and willful racism and nonsense insults, I've tried pointing out the actual histories of various words and their usage for crying out loud; people like Admiral X don't want to be convinced.

I'm fed up, and if explaining it nicely doesn't get it through X's thick skull that he's in the wrong, maybe doing it stardestroyer.net style will. At the very least, this way is more cathartic.

[Admiral X]

Really? Then how come you think that a death cult that wants to destroy Islam's most sacred site is the same as a religion of 1+ billion?

I'm aware of what Islam's holy book has to say about homosexuality just as I am about what Christianity's holy book has to say about it. I'm also aware that there is no shortage of followers of one of those religions who are all to eager to do what their holy book says they should while one would be hard pressed to find that with the other one. Yet virtue-signalling "progressives" will leap to the defense of the one with no shortage of misogynistic murderers of gay people and even go as far as to unironically claim that it's a feminist religion and is totally compatible with the LGBT community.

Pull the other one.

I've dealt with bigots of almost every stripe - you are no different.

[Madner Kami]

I'm fed up, and if explaining it nicely doesn't get it through X's thick skull that he's in the wrong, maybe doing it stardestroyer.net style will.

No. No, it won't. All it will leave in the people reading the thread is a sour taste, because someone exploded into the face of someone else, who stayed nice and calm. Even if they disagree with Admiral's points of view, they will end up rejecing your points of view along with them, thanks to your behaviour. If you can not convince him of your POV, then, assuming you want your POV to stand supreme, you need to convince people who are not part of the discussion, those just reading it and if they reject you, you failed.

Not to even think about who is likely the first of you to get banned or how "good" mods generally feel if they have to ban someone they might actually agree with on a basic level, I probably don't have to point out. If he stands after you fell, who truely won?

[Admiral X]

If he wants to go down the same path as Arkle, let him.

[Worffan101]

I'm fed up, and if explaining it nicely doesn't get it through X's thick skull that he's in the wrong, maybe doing it stardestroyer.net style will.

No. No, it won't. All it will leave in the people reading the thread is a sour taste, because someone exploded into the face of someone else, who stayed nice and calm. Even if they disagree with Admiral's points of view, they will end up rejecing your points of view along with them, thanks to your behaviour. If you can not convince him of your POV, then, assuming you want your POV to stand supreme, you need to convince people who are not part of the discussion and if they reject you, you failed.

SO what, I should calmly explain to the bigot who's calling the kettle black why his views are nonsense?

I tried that. People have tried that in real life. It. Doesn't. Work.

American society--the society I'm from and which a good chunk of the English-languge Internet population is from--values volume over substance. Loud, brash jackasses beat soft-spoken people with actual content, every single time. All the way down to preschool. 20 kids shove me in a plastic play-car and throw mulch at me as I cry, teacher hauls me and the ringleader into the principle's office? "Who started this? Worffan?" "Ms. Wormwood, Jim Bob Bubba and his friends shoved me into the play car and threw mulch at me. It hurt!" "Jim Bob, is this true?" "NO! HE'S A LIAR! I'M A GOOD BOY! THIS WIMP BUMPED INTO ME AND HE DESERVED IT ANYWAY!" "Well, I guess you should apologize to Jim Bob Bubba, Worffan."

Fuck Indiana, by the way. State full of assholes. Even in preschool.

I'm not going to convince anyone by stating the facts calmly, and shutting up just lets the alt-right make their bullshit the "alternative facts" everybody assumes are true. So what the fuck am I SUPPOSED to do?"

[Robovski]

You could get therapy for your childhood trauma.

[Worffan101]

You could get therapy for your childhood trauma.

Please don't patronize me. I brought up that incident as an anecdotal example of how American society treats facts. In America, the louder you yell the more people believe you. Why do you think Fox "News" and Alex Jones are so popular? It's the same reason people pay attention to the Kardashians, they're loud and flashy douchebags.

[Madner Kami]

SO what, I should calmly explain to the bigot who's calling the kettle black why his views are nonsense?

I tried that. People have tried that in real life. It. Doesn't. Work.

American society--the society I'm from and which a good chunk of the English-languge Internet population is from--values volume over substance. Loud, brash jackasses beat soft-spoken people with actual content, every single time. [...]

I'm not going to convince anyone by stating the facts calmly, and shutting up just lets the alt-right make their bullshit the "alternative facts" everybody assumes are true. So what the fuck am I SUPPOSED to do?"

You are perpetuating what you condemn and consider yourself right when doing so. You just have proven his point about hypocracy *slowclap* Well done.

If he bothers you that much and he, at the same time, doesn't give the moderation grounds for removing him from the board, then I think what you should do is: Do the Yukaphile. Figuratively, of course. Or Literally, if he's up for it, I don't mind either way as long as it leaves everyone involved a happier person.