STD's problems, reboot prequel, Enterprise, TNG prequel?

[Yukaphile]

No, I'm not making another thread to attack STD. I'm going to largely remain to the sidelines on this one, but I do wanna pose a question for debate and see what people think. This got me to thinking based on what someone said recently, that Enterprise's biggest problem was that it was a prequel to TNG and not TOS. Is the same thing now applied to STD? That it's not a prequel to TOS or TNG even, but the rebooted films? As I've said elsewhere, the foundation for STD sure seems like it slots better into that universe than anything established previously. Okay, that's it for now, not gonna say anything, though I wanna add one final thought. If so, I'd find this all amusing, because it means they haven't learned their lessons from last time. No one ever truly learns. LOL.

[Makeshift Python]

I never got the notion on how ENT was “more a prequel to TOS than TNG”, aside from the fact that it initially tried repeating the same tired formula of 90s Trek. If anything, it should have felt like it’s own thing apart from TOS and TNG, but with Berman and a large number of crew members behind it I think they were too set in their old ways to truly reinvigorate Trek, which is what ENT was supposed to do. It’s kind of the same issue NEMESIS had despite a new director and writer brought in it still felt stilted.

[technobabbler]

Hollywood/execs have some weird fascination with prequels. Probably because they think fans are dumb cows that need to see the on-screen backstories of everything.

The Trek formula got boring with no interesting story arc to keep you watching. Spoiler alert: the Federation survives for at least another 200 years.

Voyager/late TNG formula in a fictional universe that by definition has to be smaller since it's the early days of exploration.

1. run into the planet/mystery of the week
2. Non-emotional character (Data/Spock/7-9/T'Pol) learns something emotional
3. Some contrived issue shows up with an easy-way out versus a genuine moral issue in which two both sides could be right/wrong.
4. Throw in some lazy, non-sense, deus ex machina technobabble/plot device
5. Top it off with a lazy, generic, forgettable music score.
6. Then try to turn the ship around with mystery aliens (that have never been mentioned in Trek before) that decide to nuke Miami and Cuba of all places for a nonsensical plot reason. Yawn.

[Makeshift Python]

All that shouldn’t matter so long as the execution is done in a way that’s dramatically engaging. To paraphrase something Roger Ebert said regarding remakes: It’s not what it’s about that matters, it’s HOW it’s about.

And it shouldn’t matter whether a show is a prequel or not. The Federation existing 200 years after ENT doesn’t matter because it should be about the characters and the world is only a backdrop.

[Admiral X]

That was my attitude behind making Foundations. It'll feature the Earth-Romulan War toward the end of it, and while the audience presumably know that Earth wins that one, that doesn't mean all the characters are going to make it to the end.

[Darth Wedgius]

I think canon problems are going to crimp any prequel in someone's eyes, and, as much as I enjoy the thought of a post-ST:TUC, pre-ST:TNG show, I think most of the audience really wants a post-Nemesis show.

[Makeshift Python]

I think canon problems are going to crimp any prequel in someone's eyes, and, as much as I enjoy the thought of a post-ST:TUC, pre-ST:TNG show, I think most of the audience really wants a post-Nemesis show

Which they'll complain about the moment they get it, like they did with TNG when it was brand new. Even despite being a sequel, it still managed to somehow go against canon with episodes like "Home Soil", , which is a perfectly okay episode in its own right.

I hope with post-NEMESIS show (not including Picard), it's set five hundred years later so that the slate is essentially wiped clean with no chances of older characters reappearing. Have it be about the first ship to venture outside of the Milky Way so we can never revisit Romulans, Klingons, etc. It would basically be what VOYAGER should have been only they're not going home.

[Darth Wedgius]

I think canon problems are going to crimp any prequel in someone's eyes, and, as much as I enjoy the thought of a post-ST:TUC, pre-ST:TNG show, I think most of the audience really wants a post-Nemesis show

Which they'll complain about the moment they get it, like they did with TNG when it was brand new. Even despite being a sequel, it still managed to somehow go against canon with episodes like "Home Soil", , which is a perfectly okay episode in its own right.

I hope with post-NEMESIS show (not including Picard), it's set five hundred years later so that the slate is essentially wiped clean with no chances of older characters reappearing. Have it be about the first ship to venture outside of the Milky Way so we can never revisit Romulans, Klingons, etc. It would basically be what VOYAGER should have been only they're not going home.

A lot of people disliked TNG early on, but then again the first couple seasons were shaky. A lot of people will dislike any new Trek show, but I think that a prequel has that much more burden to overcome.

A show set 500 years later might work (I wish they'd do that for Star Wars).