In the Hands of the Prophets
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- Overlord
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Yeah, the No Such Thing As Space Jesus trope gets old pretty fast.
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I always liked Louise Fletcher's idea for Winn, as someone who was getting power mad, so she had children march in front of her, putting rose petals in front of her path.
- Wargriffin
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Nonsense!FakeGeekGirl wrote:Also I would like to offer sincere apologies for cutting myself off mid sentence during the last paragraph, it's fixed now. I need to stop posting late at night.
The best posts are drunk posts and when you're ridiculously horny!
Then everything is innuendo!
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The problem is the Episode itself misses the point cause its pretty much written in that Religion/Faith makes you stupid mentality.
"When you rule by fear, your greatest weakness is the one who's no longer afraid."
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Wargriffin wrote:The best posts are drunk posts and when you're ridiculously horny!
Then everything is innuendo!
I'll just leave this here...
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Now there's an another missed opportunity for Voyager. Ratings certainly would have been higher, for the controversy, if nothing else.
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I never heard that idea but that's fucking brilliant. I wonder why they didn't do it - the old "no kids, do dogs" rule?FaxModem1 wrote:I always liked Louise Fletcher's idea for Winn, as someone who was getting power mad, so she had children march in front of her, putting rose petals in front of her path.
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After having watched every episode featuring Winn back to back as part of my analysis of her character (something I don't care to repeat) I can say with absolute certainty that she is a real bitch, so much so I can't understand why none of the other characters were willing to do something about it or at least expose her for the disgrace she was. From arranging murder and assasination, blackmailing political rivals, to attempting to turn Bajor into a totalitarian theocracy, everyone knows she's doing these things and yet no one acts. I'm surprised Section 31 didn't take her out, after all Bereil as Kai would have been more beneficial to the federation.
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Sadly everyone who could've done something had reasons not to. Sisko couldn't afford to be seen to be actively working against a legitimately elected leader - even if he succeeded, it'd likely sow the seeds for a political wedge between Bajor and the Federation (assuming it didn't go public and result in a holy civil war between Emissary and Kai). Kira might have been able to browbeat enough of the the Vedek Assembly to make life rough for Winn, but she's devout - a bad Kai is still the Kai, the leader of her faith (let's be honest, it's the only reason Winn ever survived calling her "my child"); she did go rogue when Winn stepped over the mark in dealing with Shakaar, but once he became First Minister instead of Winn she backed off (probably content that Shakaar would politically check Winn more than she could've anyway). The rest of the crew were too junior, politically, to have an independent stake. Garak, if he ever decided he had to get involved in Bajoran politics for whatever convoluted reasons, probably preferred a power-hungry schemer to a man of principle - even though Bareil did succumb to blackmail that one time, ultimately he acted for Bajor's interests as he saw them, not personal gain, so that's a difficult man to manipulate. The Federation can't replace Sisko owing to the Emissary thing, so just has to trust that whatever hurdles Winn throws up to future Federation membership, he'll deal with it. Section 31 wouldn't give a vole's ass how Bajor ran itself so long as the wormhole stayed open - the only time Winn ever became a threat to that was due to the Pah-Wraiths, and S31 (and the Federation) certainly never considered some dusty old sacred book turning out to be a galactic-level game-changing force, so you can't really fault them for not seeing it coming. And Janeway was only at the station for a day or two tops.Tonesthegeek wrote:After having watched every episode featuring Winn back to back as part of my analysis of her character (something I don't care to repeat) I can say with absolute certainty that she is a real bitch, so much so I can't understand why none of the other characters were willing to do something about it or at least expose her for the disgrace she was.
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Winn wasn't important enough for her assassination to be worth the trouble for any of the big players.Tonesthegeek wrote:After having watched every episode featuring Winn back to back as part of my analysis of her character (something I don't care to repeat) I can say with absolute certainty that she is a real bitch, so much so I can't understand why none of the other characters were willing to do something about it or at least expose her for the disgrace she was.
The Prime Directive prevented the Federation from disposing of Winn officially. Section 31, the Dominion, and the other powers, were too busy fighting over the Alpha Quadrant to care much about one two-bit theocrat as long as she didn't interfere with the wormhole.
One and a half bits short of a two bit writer.
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Assassinating Winn would have been an instant death knell for any hope of Bajor ever entering the Federation.