Should STD be held to a higher standard?

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Re: Should STD be held to a higher standard?

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The aesthetics and uniforms contradict "The Cage." Spock having a half-sister is arguably another big continuity error unless they intend to have her die, but it makes no sense Spock would never mention her because at least with Sybok, he was exiled for forbidden teachings. They turned Harry Mudd into a psychopath. That's their interpretation of the character, when he's otherwise a harmless goof in the two canon episodes he appeared in. The ships seem way too advanced, and despite their claims, I don't think they will get this resolved by the time STD ends in... oh dear god, I hope it isn't another ten years of constant streaming, or even more... involving the Mirror Universe isn't a continuity error, but it does take away the special moment in TOS when they discovered it. And they made Mirror Universe characters weak to light. There you go. I named others past that.
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Those are just your gripes, not issues for the show.
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They are continuity errors that depart from the previous lore that was carefully set up in all the other shows and movies.
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Just like how previous shows had continuity errors, yet you don’t dismiss them anyway.

Seriously though, you should let go of DISCO. You have this unhealthy obsession over it.
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They didn't retroactively hurt the previous lore, except with Voyager and Enterprise, and they aren't so good, so we can dismiss them.

Making Mirror Universe characters sensitive to light is stupid given many DS9 episodes. Giving Klingons twin junk is stupid because it makes the Worf/Jadzia ship impossible. Making Harry Mudd a psychopath hurts the light-hearted comedy episodes he appears in, like turning Elmo into Freddy Krueger. And giving Spock a half-sister is stupid unless they (and probably do) have some kind of plan in store to explain why nobody ever mentions her, but frankly it's getting irritating how many times Starfleet Command has to cover up the stuff in STD that contradicts previous lore. Like the Mirror Universe showing up ten years prior. Makes you wonder why they didn't force Kirk to cover it up.

I suspect the STD writers only ever watched TNG or maybe TOS, or perhaps the reboot movies. I don't think they're familiar at all with DS9 or any of the other spin-offs.
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Again, you’re not even watching the show.
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Makeshift Python wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:18 amAgain, you’re not even watching the show.
According to their first post they're not participating in this thread either, yet here we are.
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Makeshift Python wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:18 am Image

Again, you’re not even watching the show.
So the only people who are allowed to criticize are the ones, that follow the show?
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Anybody is free to criticize anything for any reason, but when you constantly talk about issues the show doesn't have because you don't watch it (and get all your info from secondhand sources who are likely trying to paint the show in the worst light possible), that tends to make your criticisms hard to take seriously.
Yukaphile wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:15 am They didn't retroactively hurt the previous lore, except with Voyager and Enterprise, and they aren't so good, so we can dismiss them.

Making Mirror Universe characters sensitive to light is stupid given many DS9 episodes. Giving Klingons twin junk is stupid because it makes the Worf/Jadzia ship impossible. Making Harry Mudd a psychopath hurts the light-hearted comedy episodes he appears in, like turning Elmo into Freddy Krueger. And giving Spock a half-sister is stupid unless they (and probably do) have some kind of plan in store to explain why nobody ever mentions her, but frankly it's getting irritating how many times Starfleet Command has to cover up the stuff in STD that contradicts previous lore. Like the Mirror Universe showing up ten years prior. Makes you wonder why they didn't force Kirk to cover it up.

I suspect the STD writers only ever watched TNG or maybe TOS, or perhaps the reboot movies. I don't think they're familiar at all with DS9 or any of the other spin-offs.
There are lots and lots of things in Trek shows, even within the same one, that contradict itself. That aside, once again half your complaints are "I don't like thing, therefore its a contradiction". By the logic of these complaints, DS9 introducing Section 31 is a contradiction because Trek humans are supposed to be better than that since they've always been depicted as such. Adding new stuff isn't contradicting previous stuff.

But let's talk about the things you listed.

Mirror sensitivity to light: I wouldn't call this a blatant contradiction since it's never mentioned one way or the other, but this is one case where I can give it to you because it's obvious DIS only introduced this as part of their mystery plot involving Lorca. It's funny you bring up DS9, where most Mirror Universe episodes actually inexplicably have darker lighting (it was done for artistic purposes of course, but there was no in-universe explanation). However, TOS didn't really do that so it certainly is an inconsistency there.

Klingon double penis: As mentioned, this does not contradict anything or make any ship invalid if you apply even a modicum of imagination.

Psycho Harry: It's a stretch for younger Mudd to act this way, but not impossible. As is so often with intellectually dishonest people, you're massively exaggerating. I can understand people not being able to accept this younger Mudd as-is (Chuck also says it was hard for him), and you're free to say that all you want, but you don't get to call it a contradiction because you don't like it.

Spock Half-Sister: Making Burnham Spock's sister was a mistake, but not because it's a contradiction. Spock was never open about talking about his personal history and yes, the show has somewhat explained it so far (Burnham and Spock have a strained relationship). It's not a great explanation, but whatever. If you had complained about it being a lame story element that'd be plenty valid, but you're specifically calling it a contradiction.

But before you once again claim that everyone's getting "off topic" so you can avoid actually responding like you so often do (of course you opened this thread by stating you wouldn't participate, but did anyway), lets get to the heart of matter here- you made this thread because you are asking whether DIS should be held to a higher standard as a show, but then linked that to continuity geeking out as if that has any significant bearing on the ultimate quality of the show. Let's be candid- you made this thread because you want to associate continuity errors with "show bad". And the simple answer to that should be- no, continuity errors do not a bad show make. It's nice when continuity is adhered to of course, and the point being made here is that DIS actually does make several strides at references to other Trek shows and lore, but even in those cases you dismiss them because they're not exactly the way you want them to be.

It's fine you hate the show. It's fine you don't plan on spending your time to give it a chance. What gets irritating is your insistence on finding problems where there are none, and complaining about things you choose to keep yourself ignorant of. It's especially bothersome because from a lot of your other posts I feel like you're capable of much smarter criticism than this.
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Re: Should STD be held to a higher standard?

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Madner Kami wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:52 am
Makeshift Python wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:18 am Image

Again, you’re not even watching the show.
So the only people who are allowed to criticize are the ones, that follow the show?
It’s more that he always claims he’ll stop talking about it yet keeps going on about it anyway.
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