Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:43 am
Funny how goal posts moved from "CBSAA will shut down due to the failure of DISCOVERY" to now "they can't cancel DISCOVERY because it's all CBSAA has".
Haters just can't give it any credit.
I'm not everyone else. You're arguing with me. I haven't moved any goal posts.
Okay, you didn't, but I noticed a lot of others have. Even Doomcock got accused by his own fanbase on twitter for misleading them into thinking the show was going to fail, only to be renewed for a third season.
The problem comes from subscription based content. Even if viewership is down, as long as people maintain there subscriptions, it doesn't matter. No direct sales numbers exist to determine the success of the product. The only thing to go on is viewership (doesn't matter as long as you are still subscribed) and reviews (easily ignored). Even if CBSAA starts going under, it is impossible to pin why it would be to any one source. It's all connected into one big system that has to collapse all at once, and it will only collapse if people are bothered enough to unsubscribe, something that web designers intentionally make obfuscated to reduce the likelihood you will.
There's also the Netflix deal, so it's not just determining how well it does on CBSAA. It has an advantage over the Trek previous shows in that its viewership is much higher than it ever used to be because the show is readily available within 24 hour worldwide thanks to the Netflix deal. Contrast that to the past where TOS and TNG would not air in the UK until three years after their initial airing in the US. Many international countries had a very difficult time to access new Trek content back in the day and now that's no longer an issue.
If you're going to go with the "streaming services obfuscate the successfulness of shows on that service" argument, then why are you making assertions to the successfulness of Discovery? That also runs contrary to your point about Discovery being the only thing CBSAA has- Discovery can't simultaneously be something keeping CBSAA afloat but also have its failure being camouflaged by the success of other shows on the service. (FTR I don't have a sub to CBSAA myself, and never have, so take that as you will)
And pretty soon it's no longer going to be the only high profile show on CBSAA as there's the upcoming Twilight Zone iteration by Jordan Peele. CBS will be slowly expanding its viewership beyond Trek and a few odd lower profile titles.
Yeah, but I mean, once Twilight Zone comes out the "other shows float CBSAA instead of DIS" might actually hold some water, but for the moment it makes no sense to argue that it's both a failure and the thing propping CBSAA up.
For the moment the only other high profile show they kinda have is TBBT (as shit as it is), and that's only if people want to rewatch it.
STD's on Netflix? I'm certainly not watching it there. And if it's on CBS's All Access, what's the point? I mean, I warned my mom away from it. It didn't take much convincing. Same with Last Jedi. I'm doing the same with practically everyone I meet. My Peruvian friend who has access to a Netflix account? I warned him away too. So even if STD is going to get a reevaluation, it seems unlikely the odds are good the Netflix crowd is going to be the ones to do so. More likely those who like it won't even be actual Trek fans, but as others have said, the Big Bang Theory audience.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:34 pm
STD's on Netflix? I'm certainly not watching it there. And if it's on CBS's All Access, what's the point? I mean, I warned my mom away from it. It didn't take much convincing. Same with Last Jedi. I'm doing the same with practically everyone I meet. My Peruvian friend who has access to a Netflix account? I warned him away too. So even if STD is going to get a reevaluation, it seems unlikely the odds are good the Netflix crowd is going to be the ones to do so. More likely those who like it won't even be actual Trek fans, but as others have said, the Big Bang Theory audience.
Because it’s impossible to believe there are Trek fans that earnestly enjoy DIS? That’s silly.
More like the really old-school fans don't like it, which you and Mixed Drops have both admitted to - given the "severe backlash" against STD. And I still don't believe it will ever come close to being the media juggernaut Trek was in the 1990s.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
I don't recall "admitting" to that. It's rather a sweeping statement to make that old-school fans don't like it, considering that I know many who do which would include myself, because I've been into Trek for at least 25 years I'd assume that make me "old school".
Speaking of which, what would constitute an old school fan? Those who only liked Trek before DIS?
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:44 pm
More like the really old-school fans don't like it, which you and Mixed Drops have both admitted to - given the "severe backlash" against STD.
Please quote a post where either of us admitted this. I doubt either Python or I have ever said we don't like TOS or TNG.
He may be referring to a post where I said that CBS is looking to expand beyond the fan base, which I explained is something EVERY studio has done because Trek can’t survive on the only playing to the Trek fan base alone, as ENT proved. Not every viewer that tuned into Trek was watching it purely out of world building. That’s just somehing hardcore fans like us would be more interested in. Ultimately viewers will tune in for the characters and what adventures they go on. This is why that Onion video was spot on.
