Captain Marvel: The MCU's First Failure?

[Karha of Honor]

Because I'm still not sure what exactly Disney has done with Star Wars that's considered political other than casting some extra minorities.

If there's anything that's hurt Star Wars, its how controversial The Last Jedi was, which was controversial for completely non-political story reasons.

They jammed class warfare + animal rights into that thing. Plus other things.

[MixedDrops]

Class warfare? You mean the part where Rose explicitly says she doesn't care that people like making money, she just hates it when people do it by hurting others? That's not even a woke Marxist message, that's a Saturday-morning cartoon "Greed is bad" message.

Animal rights, maybe I'll give you that, but I don't see how "mistreated animals shouldn't be mistreated" should be controversial either.

Really, the most offensive thing about those scenes is how they're a waste of time.

I mean, in the strictest sense you're right that those things are political, but I don't see how these things are any more political than a republic being hijacked by a dictator complete with false-flag attacks and then being subsequently subdued by rebels who love democracy. Actually that's even more political than the tepid crap that was in TLJ.

[Karha of Honor]

Class warfare? You mean the part where Rose explicitly says she doesn't care that people like making money, she just hates it when people do it by hurting others? That's not even a woke Marxist message, that's a Saturday-morning cartoon "Greed is bad" message.

Animal rights, maybe I'll give you that, but I don't see how "mistreated animals shouldn't be mistreated" should be controversial either.

Really, the most offensive thing about those scenes is how they're a waste of time.

I mean, in the strictest sense you're right that those things are political, but I don't see how these things are any more political than a republic being hijacked by a dictator complete with false-flag attacks and then being subsequently subdued by rebels who love democracy. Actually that's even more political than the tepid crap that was in TLJ.

What about all the stupid Richie Rich stereotypes? That was the stupid stuff George did because he liked the entertainment of his childhood.

I hoped Disney would be better.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Star Wars was an SJW metaphor for America being the imperialists and Vietnam being the rebels.

[Karha of Honor]

Star Wars was an SJW metaphor for America being the imperialists and Vietnam being the rebels.

There is nothing inherently SJW about opposing the war in Vietnam.

That is a poorly executed metaphor in that case.

[MixedDrops]

Lucas has been pretty explicit about Star Wars being inspired (at least in part) by the Vietnam War, so take that as you will. For reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9Jq_mCJEo

What about all the stupid Richie Rich stereotypes? That was the stupid stuff George did because he liked the entertainment of his childhood.

I hoped Disney would be better.

I mean, that sounds more like a "this movie sucks" problem, and not a "they put politics in my Star Wars" problem.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Star Wars was an SJW metaphor for America being the imperialists and Vietnam being the rebels.

There is nothing inherently SJW about opposing the war in Vietnam.

That is a pporly executed metaphor in that case.

Framing America as the empire is.

[Admiral X]

There was plenty of intersectionalist/identity politics in TLJ for those who know how to recognize them. For most, it was just a bad movie that awkwardly crammed in an anti-capitalism message (ironic coming from Disney) and an animal rights message as part of a sub-plot that literally went no where and only served as padding for the world's slowest car chase. Oh, and it utterly destroyed the character of one of the most beloved characters in the franchise, so there's that, too.

Still, it will be interesting to see how IX does. I know TLJ killed any desire I had of seeing any more of the Disney movies, so we'll see how much others feel the same way. I wonder if there's going to be this strange focus on Rotten Tomatoes again.

[Karha of Honor]

Lucas has been pretty explicit about Star Wars being inspired (at least in part) by the Vietnam War, so take that as you will. For reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9Jq_mCJEo

What about all the stupid Richie Rich stereotypes? That was the stupid stuff George did because he liked the entertainment of his childhood.

I hoped Disney would be better.

I mean, that sounds more like a "this movie sucks" problem, and not a "they put politics in my Star Wars" problem.

Ad that to the great revelation about the rich made by Del Toro.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I don't answer rhetorical questions.

Give me some strong level headed speculation.

My strong level-headed speculation is that however well these movies do, y'all will spin-doctor or conspiracy theory your way to it "not counting" because really there can't be that many shills ready to watch ess-jay-dubble-yoo propaganda because y'all get butthurt when verifiable facts don't agree with your confirmation bias.