clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:22 pm
How old are you at elementary school in the US out of interest? School is different here in Britain, we have primary schools which are 5-11 yrs and secondary schools which are 11-16. I ask because I do not recall being much interested in girls at Primary school - very much still in the girls are icky stage.
It is 4-11, if kids start at transitional kindergarten (which is a grade added fairly recently), for elementary school.
clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:22 pm
How old are you at elementary school in the US out of interest? School is different here in Britain, we have primary schools which are 5-11 yrs and secondary schools which are 11-16. I ask because I do not recall being much interested in girls at Primary school - very much still in the girls are icky stage.
It is 4-11, if kids start at transitional kindergarten (which is a grade added fairly recently), for elementary school.
11-13 for junior high.
13-18 for high school.
Interesting. All I can say is that Trip must have been more developed than I was to be asking out girls and regretting it later.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:27 pm
Wasn't that because the Enterprise had just been through a major refit, or is that what normally happens?
Good question. I always assumed it was normal. Realistically, what could they have done to the warp drive to change it that much?
I think in general terms warping within a system is considered doable, but risky enough to be against regs under non-emergency (or wartime) circumstances. Sort of like flying a helicopter near or below skyline-altitude.
The wormhole in TMP IIRC was caused not by the refit per-se, but by the engines not being entirely finished (finished enough to run, but not all closed up and finished testing and calibration), so when engaged within multiple gravity wells, they made a malformed warp bubble that wedgied open a small wormhole.
But that was kind of an extraneous sequence anyway. The only reason for it was to set up tension with Decker knowing the "new" Enterprise better than Kirk, and that could have been done much more efficiently.
@clearspira Yeah, fascinating, huh? It's what you learn from talking to other people across the globe. Hell, I didn't even know about the "primary/secondary" school thing until I read Harry Potter. What Meushell says is the absolute truth.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:27 pm
Wasn't that because the Enterprise had just been through a major refit, or is that what normally happens?
Good question. I always assumed it was normal. Realistically, what could they have done to the warp drive to change it that much?
I think in general terms warping within a system is considered doable, but risky enough to be against regs under non-emergency (or wartime) circumstances. Sort of like flying a helicopter near or below skyline-altitude.
The wormhole in TMP IIRC was caused not by the refit per-se, but by the engines not being entirely finished (finished enough to run, but not all closed up and finished testing and calibration), so when engaged within multiple gravity wells, they made a malformed warp bubble that wedgied open a small wormhole.
But that was kind of an extraneous sequence anyway. The only reason for it was to set up tension with Decker knowing the "new" Enterprise better than Kirk, and that could have been done much more efficiently.
Personally I think warping in a star system is a matter of writers and sense of scale. They never seem to get a real idea of speeds or distance. And can contradict one another easily. Spock taking the Enterprise had him warp out of orbit. And it was not considered too odd, other than the ship leaving without the captain.
Impulse engines are supposed to be less than light. But will tool around in deep space that way to meet the Enterprise D in less than an hour though it was out of sensor range. . . Going from Pluto to Earth at light is what six and a half hours? They treat it as a commute of a few minutes.
Hell, "Best of Both Worlds," the high-water mark against which other stories would be judged? Is not immune to this inconsistency. We can actually calc the distance and time given, thus the speed is easy to quantify, and well... it's in excess of the speed of light. Just a little past it. At impulse. Seriously.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Funny thing I always noticed was that at half impulse the Enterprise in TMP seemed to be traveling away from Earth at a fast rate that's comparable with the Phoenix at Warp 1, with Earth getting noticeably tinier.
And yet, in First Contact, when they actually test the warp drive, and fly away at presumably warp one, you'd think they'd have traveled at impulse given how close Earth still looked, really.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:57 pm
And yet, in First Contact, when they actually test the warp drive, and fly away at presumably warp one, you'd think they'd have traveled at impulse given how close Earth still looked, really.
Warp 1 is light speed. The speed of light is 186,282 miles per second. So light would travel 60 times that much in a minute. 186,282 x 60 = 11,176,920 miles per minute. I bring this up because 60 seconds seems to be the length of Cochrane's journey.
Now consider this: The Moon is 238,000 miles. Mars is 33.9 million. The Phoenix should have travelled five times the distance of the Moon from Earth and should be a third of the way to Mars - and yet it visibly hasn't. This is a good a reason as any to prevent warp travel in Solar Systems because fans then come along with maths and call BS.
Linkara wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:57 am
His big regret that has haunted him for 20 years is from not asking a girl to dance before he hit double digits in age. Now there's plenty of dumb things that I regret from my Elementary school days... but the big moment that they chose to contrast with a guy not being able to make amends with his father before he dies was... a grade school crush? Come on, now. It's just... dumb.
So I admit I haven't seen the episode, but the impression I got from the clip was that Trip was trying to say something along the lines of "Look how much I dwell on something so tiny and insignificant. Imagine if your first experience with regret is not talking to your estranged father before he dies, and imagine how much worse that must be."
Of course I don't know if they undercut that idea after the clip itself ends. Given that it's Enterprise, they may just...
