Nessus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:48 am
Even if the producers or marketers or whatnot demanded "diversity casting", that still only matters to the extent it effects the writing. If the movie taken by itself is bad for reasons incidental to the cast, then it doesn't matter if they were "diversity hires". Similarly, if the cast is at least just as good on their own terms as any given alternative regardless of being "diversity hires", alleged or known, then it doesn't matter if they were diversity hires.
The corollary being even if the cast are shit, it's only on their own terms, because either the producers could have hired good/likable actors of their desired ethnicity/gender, or the complainant is rejecting the idea that actors of those ethnicity/genders can be good in their own right. If you accept (or even just publicly claim, regardless of what you might privately accept) that they can, then your beef can only be with the producers/marketers, not the casting, and only to the extent their alleged agenda effects the writing.
And this is Star Wars. Literally the only example I can think of in all the movies of anyone acting like human races or genders meant anything in any way is Jabba the Hutt creepin' on humanoid women. And who knows: maybe he does that to men too, and just had too much beef with Han to let him get away with only being a dancer/sex slave.
If i was Disney i would say i cast for talent and the rest of the industry would follow my model.
Implicit in the notion that you think casting for diversity and casting for talent are somehow opposed to each other is that you think white actors are always more talented than other ones.
MixedDrops wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:45 pm
Implicit in the notion that you think casting for diversity and casting for talent are somehow opposed to each other is that you think white actors are always more talented than other ones.
No i am not a child molester.
They are not opposed but it's terrible optics and not a great idea in general.
The only reason anyone gave half a crap about the "diversity casting" is because of the people behind the movies crowing about it. If they'd just done it and not said anything, the only people to complain about it would be like how all the "outrage" over Fury Road was just one guy whining about it on his blog. But since Disney is about making money, they are marketing their "wokeness" because they are convinced that will make them money, or at the very least help them to avoid backlash like the GitS movie suffered.
As for "Get Woke, Go Broke," there are plenty of examples, Marvel Comics being one of them, and Battlefield V being a more recent example, and frankly Star Wars as seen by the response to Solo.
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-TR
Nessus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:59 am
Yeah, but there's Lando.
Which happened because people pointed out to Lucas the lack of POC in the original film. In 1976 Lucas was in the mindset of hiring a cast based off of the type of casting he grew up watching in serials and WWII movies, which was all white. It wasn’t exactly something he was conscious of until someone pointed it out and, and since then he tried to rectify that starting with Lando and then including more diverse characters especially by the prequels.
Admiral X wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:53 pm
The only reason anyone gave half a crap about the "diversity casting" is because of the people behind the movies crowing about it. If they'd just done it and not said anything, the only people to complain about it would be like how all the "outrage" over Fury Road was just one guy whining about it on his blog. But since Disney is about making money, they are marketing their "wokeness" because they are convinced that will make them money, or at the very least help them to avoid backlash like the GitS movie suffered.
As for "Get Woke, Go Broke," there are plenty of examples, Marvel Comics being one of them, and Battlefield V being a more recent example, and frankly Star Wars as seen by the response to Solo.
There were op eds about the game developers not preaching their politics anymore recently. Gaming is just as big an industry as American movies.
I fail to see why Disney is scared of Variety or the entertainment writers at the Times.
MixedDrops wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:45 pm
Implicit in the notion that you think casting for diversity and casting for talent are somehow opposed to each other is that you think white actors are always more talented than other ones.
No i am not a child molester.
They are not opposed but it's terrible optics and not a great idea in general.
It's something that doesn't affect a project that Disney works on. They're the studio that if they want any type of actor they can have countless auditions. The bigger your pool the less mutually exclusive a diversity and quality call are.
And pushing for diversity is a thing because it’s a way to combat the “white standard” trope which has been an issue for a long time in casting films and the original STAR WARS is a good example of that issue where everyone in the cast is strangely white.
Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:13 pm
And pushing for diversity is a thing because it’s a way to combat the “white standard” trope which has been an issue for a long time in casting films and the original STAR WARS is a good example of that issue where everyone in the cast is strangely white.
MixedDrops wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:45 pm
Implicit in the notion that you think casting for diversity and casting for talent are somehow opposed to each other is that you think white actors are always more talented than other ones.
No i am not a child molester.
They are not opposed but it's terrible optics and not a great idea in general.
It's something that doesn't affect a project that Disney works on. They're the studio that if they want any type of actor they can have countless auditions. The bigger your pool the less mutually exclusive a diversity and quality call are.
There are logistics with every casting...
Makeshift Python wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:13 pm
And pushing for diversity is a thing because it’s a way to combat the “white standard” trope which has been an issue for a long time in casting films and the original STAR WARS is a good example of that issue where everyone in the cast is strangely white.
Strangely white considering what? US demographics? Global demographics?
