Captain Marvel: The MCU's First Failure?

[Karha of Honor]

How is this thread continuing to sustain itself?

Gungan souls.

[Makeshift Python]

Slash’s ignorance plays up again.

Calling me names does not get you points and begging the mods for my ban won't work here so make an argument.

Pointing out your ignorance isn't name calling. And I'm not begging any mods.

Anyway, let's just stop interacting. You're not worth the time.

[Makeshift Python]

How is this thread continuing to sustain itself?

Good point. The whole idea in the OP has pretty much been debunked since this film is on its way to a billion dollars and the only people upset about the film are manbabies because Brie Larson said something last year.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

See what I mean, folks? 8D If at first you don't succeed, redefine success so you were right all along!

WTF is 8D?


I provided some context. This shit fails long term or fails even harder with no long term IP backing it up.

8D is an eyes wide open big grin smiley face.

It fails long term or fails even harder...because you say it will. We're supposed to trust that you can predict the future of film despite having fallen so hard on your face you're farting nose cartilage in forecasting this movie as the MCU's first big failure.

[Nessus]

If i was Disney i would say i cast for talent and the rest of the industry would follow my model.

Which they already did. John Boyega is highly regarded, and even before he was cast in Star Wars, he was on a lot of people's "up and comers to keep an eye on" lists. I'd never heard of Daisy Ridley before she was cast in Star Wars, but IMO she was both good and likable, with the issues with her character coming from clumsy writing rather than her performance.

And on the thread topic itself, Brie Larson has been lauded as an actress since "Room", and the character of Captain Marvel has been female in the comics for decades.

Nobody lowballed the casting quality to satisfy diversity here. Implying they did is contrary to the evidence, and implying that they would have needed to implies one believes good black/female actors are somehow inherently rarer per-capita than white male ones, which would be unequivocally racist/sexist. In order to fail to find good black/female actors, the casting process would have to be FUBAR in ways incidental to anyone's politics.

Again: I don't get why anyone has such a bug up their ass about alleged casting for "diversity", when the end result is functionally indistinguishable from casting for quality anyway.

The SJ's could not do shit about it.

About what? Implying that "the SJWs' would have something to "do shit" about if things were done "your way" implies that you believe "your way" would result in fewer women/minority roles. That would indicate that either you believe there are fewer good women/minority actors per-capita than white male ones, or that "your way" would in some way actively filter against women/minority actors regardless of talent.

A a former So Cal film student, I can tell you that it was easy as anything to find any kind of actor in significant numbers, even outside of LA or New York. If only white males are showing up, and you're casting your net in or near a major city, that's not because the others aren't there; it's because you either deliberately or unconsciously restricted your casting promotion in some way to filter those people out.

And I'm decades out of college. I guarantee you it's an order of magnitude easier now.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

If you don’t like it it’s probably no longer meant for you so you might as well just drop it.

They weren't wery straight with me. They should have said it's rated P for partisan politics and make it clear in the marketing that they don't want anyone outside of the self identified PC left watching their product.

You want people to start tagging their left-of-center politics to avoid triggering you, little snowflake? Movie theaters are not your safe-space hugbox.

[Nessus]

The only reason anyone gave half a crap about the "diversity casting" is because of the people behind the movies crowing about it. If they'd just done it and not said anything, the only people to complain about it would be like how all the "outrage" over Fury Road was just one guy whining about it on his blog. But since Disney is about making money, they are marketing their "wokeness" because they are convinced that will make them money, or at the very least help them to avoid backlash like the GitS movie suffered.

This is basically the same thing I was saying, just with the opposite emphasis.

The thing I'm not clear about is why the people behind the movie crowing about the casting means anything to you, if that's the only thing that makes the difference (i.e. same cast same movie, just less "crowing" outside the movie and everything would be fine).

As for "Get Woke, Go Broke," there are plenty of examples, Marvel Comics being one of them, and Battlefield V being a more recent example, and frankly Star Wars as seen by the response to Solo.

Examples that prove or disprove the adage? Captain Marvel was hit, and the MCU is as much of a juggernaut as it's always been. I've seen no criticisms of Solo on "woke" grounds, aside from some reviewers finding the L337 droid a bit obnoxious (which I'd personally chalk up more to the "annoying comedy sidekick" dialog style rather than the droids=slaves theme). Pretty much everyone attributes Solo's flop to it being a bland by-the-numbers movie about a story that no one was particularly interested in, not any political issues.

Not that familiar with Battlefield V. I remember vague stuff about people complain there were black soldiers? There really were black soldiers in WWI, so at a glance that seems less like the game being "woke" than people being racist, so I dunno. Dunno if it bombed, or what it's performance can be attributed to either way.

[G-Man]

It seems to me that Captain Marvel is the opposite of The Last Jedi. People thought TLJ was going to be great, and after seeing it a lot of people hated it. A lot of people thought CM was going to be crap going in, but then after seeing it decided that the movie was good.

Although to be fair, I do not see a whole lot of reviewers who love Captain Marvel. The overall consensus seems to be that it is a good enough movie.

[Admiral X]

George Miller talked about his experience working with the writer of the Vagina Monologues and how he couldn't help but identify as a feminist after talking to her while working on Fury Road. Explain how what Disney has done/does is any more offensive to your sensibilities?

They use it as a selling point and constantly crow about it. and he just discussed it as something that happened while he was making his movie.

The thing I'm not clear about is why the people behind the movie crowing about the casting means anything to you, if that's the only thing that makes the difference (i.e. same cast same movie, just less "crowing" outside the movie and everything would be fine).

Because I don't appreciate being preached to, especially when it's by people talking out of their asses.

Examples that prove or disprove the adage? Captain Marvel was hit, and the MCU is as much of a juggernaut as it's always been. I've seen no criticisms of Solo on "woke" grounds, aside from some reviewers finding the L337 droid a bit obnoxious (which I'd personally chalk up more to the "annoying comedy sidekick" dialog style rather than the droids=slaves theme). Pretty much everyone attributes Solo's flop to it being a bland by-the-numbers movie about a story that no one was particularly interested in, not any political issues.

Really? Because from what I've seen, it's generally attributed to TLJ. Kind of like how "A Night in Sickbay" had such high viewership, but the episode afterwards had very low viewership.

Not that familiar with Battlefield V. I remember vague stuff about people complain there were black soldiers?

Think you have the wrong game. There was a lot of backlash over the historical revisionism in order to incorporate modern sensibilities into it. The one-armed woman and the katana-wielding Scotsman were everyone's favorite talking points from what I recall.

There really were black soldiers in WWI, so at a glance that seems less like the game being "woke" than people being racist, so I dunno. Dunno if it bombed, or what it's performance can be attributed to either way.

That's what people thoroughly indoctrinated into the identity politics ideology try to characterize it as, anyway. In any case, the most hilarious aspect of this particular example was one of the devs blowing off the criticism by saying that if people don't like it, they shouldn't buy it. And the game bombed.

[Makeshift Python]

"wah wah wah, I don't like it when companies show pride in diversity"

You do you, bro.