Joker trailer

[Jonathan101]

My problem with it is that

a) he doesn't seem like a would-be criminal genius, just a guy with (at best) above average intelligence who is down on his luck and deeply depressed, and

b) that kid he puts a smile on? Apparently that's Bruce Wayne- how old is this Joker going to be when Batman finally comes around? Is he going to be the Clown Pensioner of Crime?

It's an interesting idea, but not a clue how it's supposed to work.

[MixedDrops]

I mean, it apparently takes place outside the DCEU (by itself a mind-bogglingly stupid idea when they're also making DCEU movies at the same time, but whatever), so I think you're supposed to take it as just its own contained story.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think how this looks from the trailer is going to depend on how you feel about The Killing Joke in terms of its origin story, or Joker as an origin story in itself and whether that overall works.

I didn't care for the origin story in that movie for similar reasons people are speculating about this, but at the same time am watching the trailers for this movie ready to see what happens with him.

[Jonathan101]

I think how this looks from the trailer is going to depend on how you feel about The Killing Joke in terms of its origin story, or Joker as an origin story in itself and whether that overall works.

I didn't care for the origin story in that movie for similar reasons people are speculating about this, but at the same time am watching the trailers for this movie ready to see what happens with him.

The Killing Joke movie?

You are aware that it's a classic comic book story before a movie, right?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

yeh

2/3 of it is at least.

[MixedDrops]

Part of the point of the origin story in The Killing Joke is that you don't know for sure if that story is even true (TDK adapted this part to a degree, LedgerJoker changed his story every time he told it). Unless they use a similar framing device here (ie The Joker narrates the entire movie from the future where he is already The Joker), the context will be completely different.

[Madner Kami]

The story is told from the perspective of Arthur, who is displayed to have mental issues from the first minute in and as such is an inherently unreliable narrator. It doesn't need any flashbacks, if it's already there in the story.

[AuRon]

Does the movie really need to follow the Killing Joke model? I know that was a pretty popular story, but that doesn't mean its the only way to interpret the Joker. This is supposed to be an alternate reality story, not connected to other movies. So, if they want to tell a different sort of Joker story where he has a concrete origin, is that really a bad thing? For all we know The Joker might end up dying at the end of the movie anyway.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Does the movie really need to follow the Killing Joke model? I know that was a pretty popular story, but that doesn't mean its the only way to interpret the Joker. This is supposed to be an alternate reality story, not connected to other movies. So, if they want to tell a different sort of Joker story where he has a concrete origin, is that really a bad thing? For all we know The Joker might end up dying at the end of the movie anyway.

Yes. All I was trying to get at was that there is an origin story at all and also that it happens with a hapless guy with a sensible backdrop. Jack Napier even would fit into the DCEU narrative better than this -- though tbh I don't really agree with the Sureños take that Ayer went with. The kind of origin story where he's an understandable victim of circumstance, like they did with Michael Myers, is detached for lack of a better word.

[clearspira]

I mean, it apparently takes place outside the DCEU (by itself a mind-bogglingly stupid idea when they're also making DCEU movies at the same time, but whatever), so I think you're supposed to take it as just its own contained story.

Yeah... but they already have a Joker in the DCEU. They can't just change him completely especially as we know that there is a Suicide Squad 2 in the works.