VOY: Mortal Coil Review

[Yukaphile]

It helps that Ron Moore worked on Battlestar Galactica - at least the reboot, from what I hear - and Bryan Fuller? Er, I know he worked on DS9, but what episodes did he write? He just strikes me as a nihilist in a way that... tbh, I'm not much into writing. I know life is pointless, but I still hold out a faint hint of hope there's a fair and impartial afterlife. The maddening part is you just don't know. Not till it's over. Really, if he worked on Season 1 STD, no wonder it was so bad. Bring back Ron Moore, and you could turn this whole thing around. He'd explain all the continuity errors and actually explore the potential it has with TOS, given that he's a TOS fanboy.

[Jonathan101]

It helps that Ron Moore worked on Battlestar Galactica - at least the reboot, from what I hear - and Bryan Fuller? Er, I know he worked on DS9, but what episodes did he write? He just strikes me as a nihilist in a way that... tbh, I'm not much into writing. I know life is pointless, but I still hold out a faint hint of hope there's a fair and impartial afterlife. The maddening part is you just don't know. Not till it's over. Really, if he worked on Season 1 STD, no wonder it was so bad. Bring back Ron Moore, and you could turn this whole thing around. He'd explain all the continuity errors and actually explore the potential it has with TOS, given that he's a TOS fanboy.

Fuller wrote "The Darkness and the Light" and "Empok Nor" for DS9, both of which are mildly horror-themed and involve people being picked off one by one by crazed killers.

He wrote about 20 episodes of Voyager and while he was initially in charge of Discovery, he left early on to focus on American Gods. I'm to sure how much influence he had on the show, although female characters with male names is a recurring gimmick of his. I think his original vision for Discovery was more in the spirit of classic 60s Trek, but the show ended up being what I feared it would be when I first heard he was the show runner so dunno; he did have at least some influence on it's initial direction before parting ways.

[Yukaphile]

Oh dear God... I really didn't like "The Darkness and the Light." It really felt regressive to Kira's character...

[Jonathan101]

And I'm only just seeing now that TDATL is an episode Chuck hasn't reviewed yet.

Feels weird, somehow.

[Yukaphile]

I severely disagree with Kira's "you're guilty simply being there" assertion. I see so many people abusing that line of thinking today and it gets in the way of comforting and addressing the pain of real victims. I hate it. He's guilty because he murdered unarmed people who couldn't fight back. That's why.

[Jonathan101]

I severely disagree with Kira's "you're guilty simply being there" assertion. I see so many people abusing that line of thinking today and it gets in the way of comforting and addressing the pain of real victims. I hate it. He's guilty because he murdered unarmed people who couldn't fight back. That's why.

I was never sure whether to take Kira seriously in that or whether she was just trying to get inside of the guys head.

Although even in the final episodes of DS9, she's teaching the Cardassians to see anybody working with the Dominion as a "collaborator" and a valid target so...

I don't think it's a regression though; I think it's a conflict within Kira that they wanted to explore but not resolve one way or the other.

[Yukaphile]

By her logic, Marritza, the guy she bonded with, is guilty too.

[Jonathan101]

The problem with Kira is that deep down she knows that she did some truly messed up things but her anger towards the Cardassians and what they did tends to supersede that except in very rare circumstances.

I don't think her hypocrisy and contradictions are meant to be out-of-character; she's an emotional, paranoid, volatile character prone to mood swings.

Mirror-Kira probably should have been less a depraved, hedonistic psychopath and more Kira at her logical extreme- a murderous, intolerant, unforgiving bigot. But I guess the writers didn't want to go there.

[Yukaphile]

I don't think she ever sunk as low as the Cardassians. The worst she got was killing them, and liking it, and as this guy proved, attacking unarmed people, essentially civilian populations. There's far worse you could do to people. The worst the Cardies got was still lower than that, believe me.

[Jonathan101]

Well, I never really claimed that she did though.