Star Trek Discovery season 2 megathread

[Yukaphile]

It just reinforces what I already thought. Those in charge are TNG fans, not TOS fans, who have a different idea as to what the continuity is about, or don't adhere to it as rigidly as hardcore nerds do. It's what Chuck predicted way back in 2013. My take with "Hero Worship" is the VISOR was incredibly new technology, and what Pulaski had discovered in Season 2 was likewise very new, otherwise Geordi wouldn't have acted so shocked.

[MixedDrops]

Nothing in those lines say that VISOR was a new technology, just that Geordi got his first one after 5 years of age. There can be any number of explanations for this.

Plus if they're supposedly only hardcore TNG nerds as you say, then in theory they should've read the line the same way you did, because you're talking about lines from a TNG episode. At least take a moment to think about what you're saying.

[Yukaphile]

I see the VISOR as being more like glasses, tbh. I have glasses. But you could be right that five years old may be a bit young. Still, the way he worded it, "first VISOR," to me suggests new and experimental technology. There's also his interactions in "The Enemy" that make it feel that way. But that's just my view.

I said they were TNG fans, didn't I? Not hardcore TNG/Trek nerds. Which they don't strike me as. Though they could also be reboot fans, and not necessarily TOS fans. Probably never watched that. Their only experience with Kirk probably comes from Chris Pine and not Shatner. Otherwise, why would they continue shoehorning TNG/DS9 elements like Section 31 and the Mirror Universe (I know, TOS creation, but DS9 expanded more on it) into TOS when one could argue they have no business there? That shows they don't mind sticking something into STD prior to when it appears in canon, so... why not include things from TOS that we haven't seen before? Dr. Roger Korby? Eminiar VII and the "lives lost" there Ambassador Fox mentioned? Perhaps show Lazarus before he went nuts when meeting his other self? Show what Daystrom was like and working on prior to M5? Or hell, the First Federation, the Gorn, and the Tholians? This is the disconnect I think they possess that pisses off a lot of fans. They aren't TOS fans so much as TNG, maybe DS9, more likely TNG/reboot TOS fans. So they're wasting all this potential they could explore given they don't care about a tight continuity.

[Makeshift Python]

Yuka, you're just looking for excuses to hate on DISCOVERY, no matter how baseless. The VISOR thing is just the clearest example of your willful ignorance.

Yes, you're being willfully ignorant.

[MixedDrops]

Yeah, because the writers for a show that included entire clips from the unaired TOS pilot and have a writer who spent years of her life writing Trek novels clearly must have 0 people who have seen TOS. And say what you will about Kurtzman being a shitty writer, but there's no way he hasn't seen TOS when he was one of the guys tapped to make a reboot of the damn thing. There's also all kinds of tiny references to various Trek shows spread throughout Discovery, including that hilarious bit where Archer is part of the list of great Captains (and I seriously doubt a Trek fan who stuck around to watch ENT hasn't watched TOS).

Honestly I'm getting a bit tired of your gatekeeping. Look man, I get you don't like Discovery. I don't begrudge you for that. And I actually agree it'd be cool if they integrated more TOS plot points into the show and make it a better ENT-TOS bridge. But you shouldn't seek to "discredit" people as fans because of that.

[Yukaphile]

I think now we're reaching a level of miscommunication that needs to be rectified. If you like this, that's fine. I don't understand how, but that's cool. My criticisms have mainly been towards the show, and nothing else, my dissatisfaction with its direction, and my suspicions about those in charge and their less than honorable motives. But it was never meant to come off as an attack that way. So, I guess I'm long overdue for an apology. I'm sorry that it came off like an attack on the fans of STD. Hell, Enterprise has its fans too, and Voyager.

[MixedDrops]

I think it's cool you're this passionate about Trek, I'm not trying to antagonize you or anything here. It's just that I feel like some of your criticisms are unjustified- even when you direct them towards the writing staff and/or their "fan-ness" thereof. If you think their writing is shitty, that's one thing (I've made no mystery of the fact I think Kurtzman/Orci are bad writers), but people like Kirsten Beyer and even Joe Menosky have written or co-written episodes on Discovery. You not being satisfied that it's not TOS-ish enough is a perfectly fair stance to have, but it doesn't really add up to say they haven't seen TOS or aren't big fans. There's no reason for them to purposely hire people who don't like Trek to write Trek (even if they did, it's shouldn't inherently be a problem as Nicholas Meyer has proved).

[Yukaphile]

I do think some of my points are valid, though. Like how they can be fans, but maybe not hardcore nerds, and maybe those who aren't as familiar with other the series that are part of the franchise. Of course, my socialist friend in Peru would blame this on one thing. Late-stage capitalism. It destroys all art, he says.

[MissKittyFantastico]

I'll be honest, while I'm pretty on board with Disco's sets, it's been more a case of 'Trek enough', within an overall modern sci-fi look - I like it, but I'm accepting that the difference between what Disco looks like and what TOS looked like 'a few years later' is to do with tv budgets, not strict consistency. When they teased us with Spock's quarters at the start of the season, I liked the callbacks to TOS, but wondered if they'd actually be able to do something as iconic as the bridge in a way that could avoid being unsatisfying to my little Trekkie heart, no matter how polished it would be to modern eyes.

Well, kudos to them. That bridge was beautiful.

[clearspira]

I'll be honest, while I'm pretty on board with Disco's sets, it's been more a case of 'Trek enough', within an overall modern sci-fi look - I like it, but I'm accepting that the difference between what Disco looks like and what TOS looked like 'a few years later' is to do with tv budgets, not strict consistency. When they teased us with Spock's quarters at the start of the season, I liked the callbacks to TOS, but wondered if they'd actually be able to do something as iconic as the bridge in a way that could avoid being unsatisfying to my little Trekkie heart, no matter how polished it would be to modern eyes.

Well, kudos to them. That bridge was beautiful.

Im too cynical to believe that they would have bothered if season 1 didn't tank.