Black privilege?

[Darth Wedgius]

Rare to find you addressing something I brought up. So lemme counter. Not disputing that, certainly, but I do believe this directly flies in the face of his dream of getting a black girlfriend. It's like he possesses no sense of self-awareness, not knowing most black women to be very liberal, very independent, and very opinionated. There is a stereotype black women are high-maintenance and hard to handle, but that's mainly because I see black women as being very tough after stuff like the Feminist movement and civil rights movement. If you're white and have a black girlfriend, you're going to expect a charged discussion on racial and gender issues in America, but... he isn't very mature about this. And he's not very educated. So any differences you could overlook because of the deep love you have for your partner? I don't see working out for him. He even admits to looking down the shirt of his black coworkers at his job. It's appalling. Oh, and he claims to regret voting for Trump, but he still boils down the political mess in America to "Democrats vs. Republicans," "left vs. right," "liberals vs. conservatives," or as Chuck has and will probably put it again in the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecn5be5MBJE

And shows no real signs of understanding the nuances or complexities that go into this. So him having voted for Trump and having shown no real signs of growth past that despite claims of regret feels like a false and hollow gesture, especially since I know what he's like in private, very intense, unstable, and asks stupid, offensive, disturbing questions.

I realized that by blocking people for being illogical in disagreements I was cutting off mostly one side, and I might be more tolerant. Maybe. I've never really tried tolerance before, and I might be allergic.

I completely agree that it will be harder to find a black conservative girlfriend. But, on the plus side, I think a black conservative girlfriend, if he can find one, is, I think, less likely to see him as a white guy and more likely to see him as him. That's just my suspicion from personal experience, not something I can swear to.

That might still backfire if she thinks he's a jerk, and he might be -- grabbing a look down the shirt of a coworker isn't cool IMO, and I suspect it isn't a good sign in a romantic prospect. But at least there'd be a little hope; people can improve personal behavior more easily than change their skin color.

[Yukaphile]

And hey, I'm not totally illogical. Just mostly illogical. I'll unblock you now.

Well, depends on how you define the parameters of "conservative." All these words, "old-fashioned," "conservative," "traditional" can have so many meanings that he's still working out. Traditional can be good, or it can be bad. I do feel in some ways there's some things we've gained in our society, and some things we've lost that I miss. I do think if I hooked up with a black lady, because I really have it bad for black women (like, seriously), she wouldn't see me as "the white guy..." unless she's into that, in which case, I have no problems with that, and for real. If white guys turn her on big time, then I'm really fine with that. On the flip side, that might not make good partner material, but so what? Just have a fun thrill ride, and be big enough to call it off when it's over. Is it so bad seeing your partner in a specific way if it makes them more attractive? Like, again, if I married a black woman, she'd always be black to me, but that'd enhance her beauty, it wouldn't make her less a human or something stupid like that. Hell, it's just the opposite, since I tend to wanna really lavish upon my partner.

Yeah... comes from an abusive family life, but so what? So did I. He really needs a lot of growing up to do, which is sad, because he's already 21.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I consider conservative in a generic sense to refer to social ordinance that's concerned with sustaining a culture or community. You can see situations of this with Black Nationalism down to just having undivided pride and attention to your own culture. Native Americans residing in their own territories can be seen as a conservative movement. They're sure as hell not fighting for civil liberties under the eyes of the American populace a lot of the time, they've always wanted their autonomy.

That's not really how it plays out when centering around Republicans and Democrats, but Republicans can be seen as trying to sustain a status quo American culture, typically referred to as problematically blind to identity politics and what not. That is the recognized definition of conservatism, and I think there's lots of minorities that fall under the rubric, or just people that don't care about politics.

In other words, not every black person is going to adhere to progressive politics as you understand it. It's not much different than when you were talking about hispanics that are on the Trump side of immigration because they believe in due process. You can't just lump people on to a side because of their identity.

[Yukaphile]

When I think conservative, I hear the world "held back." When I hear traditional, I think " old-time values." Depends on the person.

[Karha of Honor]

Well, misogyny never stopped straight men from dating women, so it stands to reason a white guy can chase after black pussy and still be an anti-black racist.

How does this prove that he believes whites are better than blacks because of magical genes?

No, this dude is literally a Trump-voting SJW-hating right-winger.

What are the benefits of loving SJW's?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

When I think conservative, I hear the world "held back." When I hear traditional, I think " old-time values." Depends on the person.

It doesn't depend on the person. You're acting as if there's no such thing as black Republican women that would recognize something like Affirmative Action as a privilege.

[Yukaphile]

What are the benefits of loving SJW's?

Do you consider me an SJW? Because I do and even if I've toned it down, you could at least say I used to be.

It doesn't depend on the person. You're acting as if there's no such thing as black Republican women that would recognize something like Affirmative Action as a privilege.

What does this have to do with Democrats and Republicans? There are conservative Democrats and "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" Republicans out there. Conservative is a nuance, just like "traditional" is, and neither is universal to just one party. That's what this dude don't get. There are conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. Don't you love diversity?

God, I regret ever starting this thread...

Affirmative Action was a good idea that helped disenfranchised minorities get ahead where racism was putting them down. It also hurt a lot of white people too, but so long as there's a stereotype black people are dumb and ignorant and uneducated drug-using criminals, I think most employers will subconsciously choose a white person over them, so Affirmative Action is still needed in some cases, despite the drawbacks and the times it legitimately screws white people over. Changing social perceptions is not an overnight thing. Only someone who thinks there's this kind of reverse oppression going on hurting whites as bad as blacks at their worst would think we shouldn't try to help blacks get ahead in jobs. Personally, I support Affirmative Action as a "necessary evil" until we stop seeing black people as thugs, the way Dylann Roof said they were way. Once people like him are less a minority, then we can talk about dismantling Affirmative Action. And no, he wasn't an outlier. He was just a more exaggerated version of the views they hold across the right spectrum. I know. I've talked to Libertarians on this too.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

What are the benefits of loving SJW's?

Do you consider me an SJW? Because I do and even if I've toned it down, you could at least say I used to be.

It doesn't depend on the person. You're acting as if there's no such thing as black Republican women that would recognize something like Affirmative Action as a privilege.

What does this have to do with Democrats and Republicans? There are conservative Democrats and "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" Republicans out there. Conservative is a nuance, just like "traditional" is, and neither is universal to just one party. That's what this dude don't get. There are conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. Don't you love diversity?

No, you don't get "liberal" republicans. There isn't much overlap that comes up between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are typically much quicker to recognize privilege as a two-way street.

[Karha of Honor]

What are the benefits of loving SJW's?

Do you consider me an SJW? Because I do and even if I've toned it down, you could at least say I used to be.

You don't make this sjwing look like it's a good thing.

[Yukaphile]

Actually, lots of people who vote Republican out of party partisanship identify as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative." You can look it up if you don't believe me.