Star Trek Discovery season 2 megathread

[Yukaphile]

Living to 150 or so is not seen as odd in the TNG era was my point.

[Makeshift Python]

Yuka brings up a good point. We see that Sloan doesn’t care that Bashir opens his mouth about S31 because as far as he’s concerned S31 is well secured by Starfleet to be practically untouchable, as anything would be officially covered up.

As for Bashir not knowing of their existence, he also didn’t seem to know that at some point in history there were human looking Klingons. Even a knowledgeable guy like Picard didn’t even know about Halloween. So sure, if I can roll with all that, I can roll with S31 having become less up front by the 24th century.

I don't see this at all. If we roll with weird continuity hiccoughs then we can roll with more of them? Like, what is the reasoning here? I'm not claiming Star Trek continuity is perfect, I'm saying that this specific descision creates continuity problems for, in my opinion, very shallow reasons.

Fair enough, and I don't think it's that big of a continuity error because there's enough to suggest that Starfleet at some point within 120 years does what they can to suppress any official information on Section 31 so that they could work more in the dark by the Dominion War. Just because Bashir wasn't aware of them doesn't necessarily mean nobody else has been, which is why Sloan is totally fine with Bashir blabbing about it to his colleagues because it's ultimately hearsay. You say it paints a bad picture about Starfleet, well that was already done in 1998 and is to this day still one of the most controversial decisions the franchise has done with lore. I can only imagine how Trek fans reacted to the one-two punch that was "Inquisition" and "In the Pale Moonlight" which both aired in succession.

[Yukaphile]

SF Debris has said so over and over again, and scrolling through old forums and stuff, I can get a general sense of what it was like. Some people genuinely feel as if Roddenberry was some kind of progressive saint or a liberal icon who gave us everything great they love about Trek. When, in fact, the man was pretty skeevy and contributed very little past being the glue, and that's about it.

[clearspira]

Age in Star Trek is a notorious continuity issue. You have McCoy and his extreme age, but you have many others dying at a much more 20th/21st century level.

[Makeshift Python]

Age in Star Trek is a notorious continuity issue. You have McCoy and his extreme age, but you have many others dying at a much more 20th/21st century level.

I get the sense that McCoy exceeded the life expectancy average and passed away soon after his tour of the Enterprise D. He’s only so old because they felt it was important to include a cameo to “pass the torch” despite being set a century later, thus he was 137. Not out of the realm of possibility, but we can give the show that mulligan for being in the future with advance med tech. Otherwise I think most humans only live up to slightly over a hundred.

[Yukaphile]

Here's a beef I have with STD. I've seen the uniforms they had in Season 1. Then I saw a Season 2 promo pic that included more traditional "TOS" outfits. My big issue with this is that it's a blatant continuity error. How the hell do you explain this? According to Memory Alpha, which might be a bit fuzzy, but I digress, Pike was in command in 2254 during the events of "The Cage." The only outfits you see are blue and yellow, and the women wear pants, no less. So, to conclude, I feel as if they should have stuck to that. Like maybe explain why there's only two divisions in Starfleet in 2254 when in 2265 when the five-year voyage began then there were suddenly three. You can argue "retcon" all you like, but fact remains they could have tried to explain this, and instead to chose to change it. Why? It's stupid and pointless.

[LavarosVA]

Age in Star Trek is a notorious continuity issue. You have McCoy and his extreme age, but you have many others dying at a much more 20th/21st century level.

I get the sense that McCoy exceeded the life expectancy average and passed away soon after his tour of the Enterprise D. He’s only so old because they felt it was important to include a cameo to “pass the torch” despite being set a century later, thus he was 137. Not out of the realm of possibility, but we can give the show that mulligan for being in the future with advance med tech. Otherwise I think most humans only live up to slightly over a hundred.

McCoy did look like he should be on his death bed rather than touring a star ship. Especially a Galaxy class one.

[Yukaphile]

Nuh-uh. Picard "confirmed" they could extend life. That was in "Who Watches the Watchers."

[MixedDrops]

Realistically I have to assume there's some kind of limit to that. Prolonging life indefinitely is basically impossible no matter how good our technology gets.

Then again, we're talking about the universe where they can somehow reverse-evolve someone from a salamander back to a human in a matter of days.

[clearspira]

Here's a beef I have with STD. I've seen the uniforms they had in Season 1. Then I saw a Season 2 promo pic that included more traditional "TOS" outfits. My big issue with this is that it's a blatant continuity error. How the hell do you explain this? According to Memory Alpha, which might be a bit fuzzy, but I digress, Pike was in command in 2254 during the events of "The Cage." The only outfits you see are blue and yellow, and the women wear pants, no less. So, to conclude, I feel as if they should have stuck to that. Like maybe explain why there's only two divisions in Starfleet in 2254 when in 2265 when the five-year voyage began then there were suddenly three. You can argue "retcon" all you like, but fact remains they could have tried to explain this, and instead to chose to change it. Why? It's stupid and pointless.

Because people moaned about the std uniforms and lack of continuity in season 1 so they are now at least trying to make an effort to make it seem as if it takes place in the same universe. I don't like the show either, but you cannot have it both ways.

And let's be honest: there is plenty that is out if canon about that pilot. Paper printers, laser pistols, a laughing Spock, warp drive being called a time warp. Not to mention that Trek has a habit of changing its uniform every couple of years anyway to the point they frequently wear both designs together.