Who is the worst Captain?

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Durandal_1707 wrote:But they do have major differences in the universes, and that matters. The SGC needed allies far more than Enterprise's Earth did, and they absolutely should not have given command of the team that makes all the first-contact situations to a guy with the negotiating skills of a 15-year-old.

It just stood out, especially considering the other team members.

Carter: The smartest human on planet Earth, who routinely deals with alien technology far beyond anyone's comprehension and makes it work. She even invents new gadgets based on said alien technology. She's also tough as nails, so if you're a bad guy who sees her as some egghead that you can easily overpower, she'll whoop your ass. She also knows everything about the Stargate and wormhole physics, and can tech you out of a bad situation faster than Lt. Cmdr. Data. She's a goddamn superhero.

Daniel: Earth's foremost expert on the Ancients, with a seemingly encyclopedic memory for anything related to pretty much every ancient culture on Earth. And not only that, but he knows like every ancient language, with enough room left-over in his brain to learn alien languages they come across well enough to speak them conversationally with amazing speed. Daniel's a goddamn superhero.

Teal'c: Earth's expert on the Goa'uld and the Jaffa, their ways, customs, tactics, and their weaknesses, Teal'c also possesses enough charisma to turn the Jaffa over to his side, gaining Earth a powerful ally. Teal'c also possesses the diplomatic skills to be our go-to guy when we need to maintain that alliance. Oh, and Teal'c is also amazingly buff, immune to all disease and just about anything else that might compromise the other team members, and able to beat just about anyone in a fight, even if he's just gone through agonizing torture that would cause most people to be barely able to walk. Teal'c is a goddamn superhero.

Jack: He... can... uh, shoot things. I mean, so can Carter and Teal'c (and, eventually, Jackson), but, um, that's... something?
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I didn't hate SG-1, rather liked it actually. But the behavior of Col. O'Neill frequently baffled me, and I appreciated it when he started showing up less and less in the latter half of the show.
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Durandal_1707 wrote:I didn't hate SG-1, rather liked it actually. But the behavior of Col. O'Neill frequently baffled me, and I appreciated it when he started showing up less and less in the latter half of the show.
That was to do with Richard Dean Anderson, his sense of humour and his interference in the production of the show, not that most of the fanbase minded.

As for what skills and talent Jack brought to the team, you're forgetting that prior to joining the Stargate program he had a lot of military, combat and tactical experience, he is an expert soldier and pilot and an effective, charismatic leader.
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Yeah, Jack's good at pretty much everything except diplomacy.
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Its really a hard-fought race between Janeway and Archer, isn't it? I was going to say that at least Archer never murdered one of his crew in cold blood... and then I realized, yes, he did.

But I still say Janeway's better, though maybe its just because I'm more familiar with her. She seems to be more competent more often.
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I'd much rather serve under Jack O'Neill than any Star Trek captain. At least I know he isn't going to let me die to fulfill some prime directive.
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J!! wrote:Yeah, Jack's good at pretty much everything except diplomacy.
Which is a pretty accurate take on your average military officer.

There's a reason why they're not your go to occupation to send off on diplomatic missions.
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SlackerinDeNile wrote:
Durandal_1707 wrote:I didn't hate SG-1, rather liked it actually. But the behavior of Col. O'Neill frequently baffled me, and I appreciated it when he started showing up less and less in the latter half of the show.
That was to do with Richard Dean Anderson, his sense of humour and his interference in the production of the show, not that most of the fanbase minded.

As for what skills and talent Jack brought to the team, you're forgetting that prior to joining the Stargate program he had a lot of military, combat and tactical experience, he is an expert soldier and pilot and an effective, charismatic leader.
The US military is full of people with a lot of military, combat, and tactical experience. It wouldn't be much of a military otherwise, now, would it? :P Heck, Carter also possesses most of those traits, as does Mitchell later on, and neither of them tend to epic fail to the degree that O'Neill often does when dealing with people.

It just makes little sense for such a team of one-of-a-kind superheroes to be led by a guy who is so... ah... intellectually challenged.
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Durandal_1707 wrote:
SlackerinDeNile wrote:
Durandal_1707 wrote:I didn't hate SG-1, rather liked it actually. But the behavior of Col. O'Neill frequently baffled me, and I appreciated it when he started showing up less and less in the latter half of the show.
That was to do with Richard Dean Anderson, his sense of humour and his interference in the production of the show, not that most of the fanbase minded.

As for what skills and talent Jack brought to the team, you're forgetting that prior to joining the Stargate program he had a lot of military, combat and tactical experience, he is an expert soldier and pilot and an effective, charismatic leader.
The US military is full of people with a lot of military, combat, and tactical experience. It wouldn't be much of a military otherwise, now, would it? :P Heck, Carter also possesses most of those traits, as does Mitchell later on, and neither of them tend to epic fail to the degree that O'Neill often does when dealing with people.

It just makes little sense for such a team of one-of-a-kind superheroes to be led by a guy who is so... ah... intellectually challenged.
Like I said, that's just RDA's sense of humour influencing the character. Plus Jack did have twice as much military experience than Sam Carter did and obviously even more so than Daniel.
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I think the issue is that Jack is NOT the diplomat of the group, that goes to Daniel in most cases, since he can, you know, speak the language. Jack is security. His job is to make sure they all get home alive, and if you watch the episodes, in most cases his questions come down to "is it a threat" and "how do we blow it up if it's a threat." He isn't stupid, at all, or intellectually challenged, he's smart, but not in the same way as Carter and Daniel, and he's not ashamed of that. It's just his priorities are different and his job is different. It's to his credit that he knows generally when to allow the others to take the point in a situation.
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