Bisexual Youth More Likely to be bullied and consider suicide

[ProfessorDetective]

I thankfully dodged most of this in High School, mostly because of me keeping my head down. I mean, I assume pansexual teens are catching this same kind of Hell.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Yeah, probably with even more erasure and a side order of "stop making up orientations". =/

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

We still need a strong discussion on gender issues going forward, because it's such a fundamental part of us that's been bred into our DNA, multiply and avoid death, that really, we've only covered a fraction of what gender and indeed, overall identity really is.

There is no mystery to what gender and sexuality is though. Its actually a very simple concept. Men need to be men and women need to be women in order to make babies. Anything else in large amounts would run the risk of lowering the birth rate.

Human beings however have intelligence. We have moved on from being animals based on instinct; that is why we can choose to live and feel and do whatever the hell we want.

He was talking about gender in terms of personal identity though, not just perceived identity or at least not only. If gender is an overwhelmingly social construct, then its customs are internalized by our own making. Nothing really changes about sexual organs (necessarily), but saying you can only personally identify as two is like saying you can only have iOS or Windows.

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, that.

[CmdrKing]

Yeah, probably with even more erasure and a side order of "stop making up orientations". =/

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some of that in the wider culture, but my experience in queer spaces is a lot of direct antagonism against bi people by pan folk. A lot of "bi means two therefore bisexuals are inherently transphobic and erase non-binary people therefor everyone who isn't pan is trash garbage" gets tossed around.

This is just about the only Discourse that is more wrong-headed and tedious than the "asexual people aren't queer" one. Or at least the only Discourse I've seen crop up on a regular cycle, there were definitely some one-shots that... ugh I don't even want to describe them they were so frustrating.

[Yukaphile]

I also must remind you all that even though men succeed in suicide more, women attempt it more. What does that mean? That I think life is harder for women in some ways because of institutionalized misogyny and patriarchy, while a man is more blunt. He'll just shoot his brains out, or go stand in front of the train tracks, or worse, take out others with him in yet another mass shooting so "everyone knows my pain..."

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Yeah, probably with even more erasure and a side order of "stop making up orientations". =/

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some of that in the wider culture, but my experience in queer spaces is a lot of direct antagonism against bi people by pan folk. A lot of "bi means two therefore bisexuals are inherently transphobic and erase non-binary people therefor everyone who isn't pan is trash garbage" gets tossed around.

This is just about the only Discourse that is more wrong-headed and tedious than the "asexual people aren't queer" one. Or at least the only Discourse I've seen crop up on a regular cycle, there were definitely some one-shots that... ugh I don't even want to describe them they were so frustrating.

Oh yeah I've gotten that from pans and the Queerer Than THou stuff. Human subcultures are a fractal clusterfuck.

[Madner Kami]

I also must remind you all that even though men succeed in suicide more, women attempt it more. What does that mean? That I think life is harder for women in some ways because of institutionalized misogyny and patriarchy, while a man is more blunt. He'll just shoot his brains out, or go stand in front of the train tracks, or worse, take out others with him in yet another mass shooting so "everyone knows my pain..."

A cynical person who has encountered more suicide-attempters than he wants to remember could point out that people are intentionally trying to attempt suicide, either as a call for help (unconciously) or to (conciously) put pressure onto the people surrounding them.

A jaded cynic with experience on people with suicidal tendencies and who had a couple of talks with psychologists about that matter would mention that, in general, men commit suicide, while women attempt suicide.

[Robovski]

I also must remind you all that even though men succeed in suicide more, women attempt it more. What does that mean? That I think life is harder for women in some ways because of institutionalized misogyny and patriarchy, while a man is more blunt. He'll just shoot his brains out, or go stand in front of the train tracks, or worse, take out others with him in yet another mass shooting so "everyone knows my pain..."

A cynical person who has encountered more suicide-attempters than he wants to remember could point out that people are intentionally trying to attempt suicide, either as a call for help (unconciously) or to (conciously) put pressure onto the people surrounding them.

A jaded cyncic with experience on suicidal tendencies and who had a couple of talks with psychologists about that matter would mention that, in general, men commit suicide, while women attempt suicide.

I agree with Madner. This is purely circumstantial but it is my life experience. I knew 3 men personally (that I knew personally, as far as I know atm) that killed themselves. It was a complete surprise to those who knew them. Additionally I heavily considered killing myself and was working out a solid way to do it with minimal damage to others before I got help. Work noticed how I was doing badly and was talked into seeing my GP.

I know several women who were suicidal, but none that had actually killed themselves (again, that I knew personally and as far as I know currently). Some made attempts, but they were done in places where they could be found, taking pills.

[Yukaphile]

I've felt that way before. One has to wonder if women wanna commit suicide when faced with some patriarchal bullshit shoved their way, while for us, men's reasons for suicide don't factor that into it - on the whole, I mean. In other words, men's reasons for suicide have little to do with gendered reasons. I know I'm speculating wildly here, but it is something to consider.