Teenage Climate Change Activist "I want you to panic"

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Well, again, I won't be here for the worst of it, nor do I intend to breed so that my descendants would suffer, so... it's not my problem.

And you don't care about the people who will have to grow up in it? Anyway, you might still be around to get drowned, burned alive, or blown away.

Seriously dude, WTF?

[Draco Dracul]

Yes, poor people have fewer choices. Yes, that makes sense to me. Yes, it can make it harder for them to have a lower carbon footprint. But most can ease up on the carbon a lot more than they do. That poor people have fewer choices does not make a few rich people responsible for them.

Fuzzy, people moved to the suburbs when automobiles became affordable and roads more decent. If people had stayed in the cities then cars would not have been nearly as popular. But people like lawns, privacy, and less crime.

People could also take the bus, which uses gas (or natural gas or diesel) and is quite passenger-mile-per-gallon efficient if it has a lot of people on it. It's a lot less convenient, but it's a personal choice.

Vegan food consumption doesn't have to be expensive. Vegetables are not especially expensive; trust me, I'm vegetarian and I'm cheap. Meat is expensive. Meat substitutes can be expensive, and organic anything can be expensive, but potatoes, brussels sprouts, broccoli, legumes, rice, those aren't especially costly.

It does when the rich spend billions of dollars to prevent legislation that could do more to fix the issue than any number choice the sum totality of poor people in the US could make.

Again, that legislation would be used to constrain choices. People could already make the choices you want them to make.

One, legislation can be used to create choices. For instance had their been tax incentives for electric or higher mileage cars earlier, the consumer would have more options because more of those cars would be available.

Two, one of the major purposes of government is to avert the tragedy of the commons.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's also just stupid to posit that if biggest group just decided to curb their own consumption then it wouldn't be a problem, instead applying the protocol to generally everybody that contaminates the environment at the same rate.

[Draco Dracul]

It's also just stupid to posit that if biggest group just decided to curb their own consumption then it wouldn't be a problem, instead applying the protocol to generally everybody that contaminates the environment at the same rate.

And it also ignores that their are a lot of things the consumer inherently has not choice over. I mean if all the power in your area comes from a coal plant you can do everything in you power to cut your power consumption, but you're still going to be polluting more than the guy that constantly runs a thousand plasma balls but is in an area that gets all it's power from hydroelectric or nuclear power.

[Yukaphile]

It's one of the things we have to come to grips with. Our mortality. Be honest, will the world will have improved, changed that much in the next... five hundred, thousand, five thousand, ten thousand years? Even if civilization keeps standing, I doubt very much. We'll probably still be fighting the same old battles we are today. And I'm tired of it. Perhaps the world will be better off without us, tbh. Messing things up for other species, too blinded by greed and arrogance and cruelty to really think we could ever fall, or consider the other children of the Earth. I mean, I may have stopped harping on it, but I've lost faith in the world, and that hasn't changed since... 2016. Even earlier. Why fight it? Just... let it go. All things must pass. Not even this solar system will last forever.

[Yukaphile]

And while saving the Earth is important, it's just not gonna matter. Time marches on immemorial of what we do. We're destined for another ice age in 50,000 years anyway. The continents break up again, then the sun begins heating up, and Earth dies... all we can count on is being nice to each other, and we can't even do that right. Just... not gonna make it. And I dislike focusing on the evils of the world I can't change. So, I try not to, and at least take comfort that at our heart, we're all equal in our destinies. We're all gonna die, we're all mortal, and we're all children of the universe who have a place in the grand design, and will see what's truly out there someday. Whether it's oblivion or something greater, we will know - eventually. And if we destroy Earth and doom ourselves? Well, then we die. Nothing we can do about that. Nothing I can do about that. But at least we'll have that perfect equality we dream of in such a world. It's just a pity other animals will have to share that too, since they never got a chance to be more, like we do.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's also just stupid to posit that if biggest group just decided to curb their own consumption then it wouldn't be a problem, instead applying the protocol to generally everybody that contaminates the environment at the same rate.

And it also ignores that their are a lot of things the consumer inherently has not choice over. I mean if all the power in your area comes from a coal plant you can do everything in you power to cut your power consumption, but you're still going to be polluting more than the guy that constantly runs a thousand plasma balls but is in an area that gets all it's power from hydroelectric or nuclear power.

The original argument IIRC was that millennials are the ones consuming the pollution from the suppliers, and since they're the ones that want the change then they simply don't do it. Millennials aren't an association, like with a hierarchical council or organization. A lot of people don't even believe in science in the first place as far as cohesion is concerned.

[Yukaphile]

One thing I wish climate change had done. Pioneered a new wave of solar panels and alternate clean energy worldwide.

[clearspira]

One thing I wish climate change had done. Pioneered a new wave of solar panels and alternate clean energy worldwide.

As I said mate, petrodollar. The rich of your country would lose to much to advocate solar.

[Madner Kami]

Here's an idea. Talk to Musk and convince him not to throw his money at physically impossible pipe-dreams and instead kickstart an industry that helps people make their homes more energy-efficient or even energy-independant. You may not be able to reliably supply an entire country by solar and wind-energy, but you sure as hell can stuff a battery into the cellars and throw solar power cells onto everyone's roof in the suburbs and Kansas' countryside. If it works in Germany (and only fails to find wider spread use is, because it costs money to convert that people don't have), then it sure as hell does in MAGA-country.