University Hosts Meeting for Inclusivity - No Whites Allowed

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I probably wouldn't willingly truck around with Nazis.

Having that line in the sand isn't that outrageous imo. DW is saying that the meeting is about stuff that's considerably more generic, and if that's true then that's a different story. That being said, I'd like more information on the development.

Really though I do think Steve Bannon being invited to The Economist's summit was a different circumstance while I saw leftists on Twitter rather uprooted on the idea. So I guess I can acknowledge what Madner is saying despite how I feel about censoring overt Nazi'sm.

[Yukaphile]

And I can understand that.

Of course, KKK and Nazis are hard-righters. Those who lean more towards "white men are the real victims now," a position I disagree with, but can still respect, as it's their right to do so, come from mostly center righters, imo.

[Admiral X]

And once again the regressive left shows they are everything they claim to hate.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Those who lean more towards "white men are the real victims now," a position I disagree with, but can still respect, as it's their right to do so, come from mostly center righters, imo.

I've never considered those types to be influential in policy really.

[G-Man]

The real issue here is that it used to be that what was being opposed was "racism," which at least had the idea that it is a universal human failing and that you wanted to make certain that the groups currently not on top do not become oppressors.

Increasingly, though, the issue is presented as "white supremacy" or "white privilege," which implies that whites are the bad guys, and that there is no harm in bigotry against them.

I mean, if we are going to argue that higher socio-economic status and overrepresentation belie any claims of discrimination, then there is no reason to worry about antisemitism, as Jews are overrepresented in media and government. In fact, we could easily have a discussion on "Jewish privilege" and "Jewish supremacy."

If that terminology bothers you, and you worry it could lead to antisemitism, well, that's exactly how a lot of people feel about these discussions about "white privilege."

[AlucardNoir]

I don't know how a discussion on white supremacy that goes out of it's way and bars whites is anything but a win for white supremacy. That's basically yelling to anyone that's white that they should be a white supremacist because no one else wants them.

It's the same kind of logic that got Blizzard to ban the OK sign guy. A group of 4chan-ers decided to troll the progressive part of the internet and make them believe that the OK hand gesture was a white supremacist sign. Even progressives that know this ended up being OK with banning it's use because it was associated with white supremacy. Not used by actual white supremacist mind you, no, just associated with the idea of white supremacy.

As for the DB tubers... you do realize they're in it to make a living from making videos not to "improve society" or "give women a voice" or anything else like that, right? Two relatively large Dragon Ball YouTube-ers got together to discuss Dragon Ball. I'm fairly certain that's how they thought of it. The idea that this should be a social thing, that they should make this an important moment in DB history, that they should give a voice to their competitors with fewer viewers a month but with a vagina probably never even entered their mind. The same way it wouldn't have probably entered their mind if one of them was actually a woman since they weren't doing this for social "cred" but for the views and ad revenue.

[Yukaphile]

G-Man, you're talking out of your ass. Jews are in no way "overrepresented" in the types of media I consume. You're sound like an alt-right conspiracy nut convinced there's some grand Jewish conspiracy.

I'll also add, what was racism in those times? Might not have been racism at all. I don't know. I'm really starting to wonder if it just pure extremist hate crimes that were the biggest problem, because we sure as shit have not "overcome" those social differences today, as much as the 1990s pretended we had. White supremacy is also an inherently flawed position because it presupposes that whites are superior, which is different from if you want to argue whites have become the new victims of racial prejudice and systematic bigotry, which is wrong on so many levels, but if you wanna argue that, fine. But don't treat "white supremacy" as a valid viewpoint. All human beings are fundamentally the same. No race is superior. And this was at a time when people would use butchered genetics to try and back that up, claiming blacks were somehow mentally and physically inferior. And yet that doesn't seem to have changed, just shifted somewhat to adapt to the 21st century, when I've seen people wonder if "blacks" think differently, not out of malice, but simply naive ignorance.

White privilege is built on a few tenets. One is that whites are the majority. Blacks are not. Two is that their communities tend to be very downtrodden, poor, and overcome with gangs. Tbf, there's lots of shit white communities out there too, but it is true to say most white people don't have that kind of daily economic suffering to endure. The social perceptions and mistaken assumptions would just be number third. Fourth would be how our power structures and media and entertainment landscape seem to favor white people, to a degree. By that token, I could also believe in black privilege, in a few ways, however, tbf. Like how sometimes blacks do have an easier time (sometimes!) if they call out racism, depending on the circles they hold. That's only because we've acknowledged racism as bad from the last 50 years, though, and know there's still work to be done. White privilege is not the same as "whites are the devil."

[Darth Wedgius]

There are parallels between "critical race theory" and anti-semitism. Jewish people do sometimes do more favors for Jewish people, and that can seem like a conspiracy. But Jewish people are simply more likely to know and run into more Jewish people. They won't run into a lot of Christians in the synagogue, and more of their relatives are going to have a similar ethnicity because, well, relatives.

Jewish people have been more represented in banking for historical reasons (it used to be that Christians weren't allowed to charge interest), and the same calls for diversity that make some people say New Hampshire is too white could be translated into saying banking is too Jewish. A lot of Hollywood is Jewish for historical reasons, too.

And Jews statistically do relatively well in school and economically. Someone who sees whites doing better in school or economically as evidence of racism could have the same arguments about Jews.

Basically, if you think statistical overrepresentation or underrepresentation if evidence of discrimination, you should probably be suspicious of whites and Jews both. Asians and men, too. And women, actually. If not, then, well, not. But if you think one is evidence of discrimination and the other isn't, well, some people just want to look down their nose at someone no matter what mental leaps are required.

[Yukaphile]

I don't know what critical race theory even is. I tend to see race as meaningless anyway, past other than maybe interesting academic trivia. All humans are the same. For me, gender/LGBT/women's rights tend to be more important, because I see race as very superficial. I have two Latino friends, an Asian, and many more. Racism should be fought, true, but at the same time, changing our perceptions of outdated gender roles and so on takes greater priority with me. Also, what you're describing sounds pretty much like any community where there's an overwhelmingly higher population of minorities or non-minorities than other places. Like take dominantly black areas where you're more likely to run into blacks than any other race. Sounds just like some people putting their own interpretation on this. Do I deny that some Jews are a part of the decaying worldwide power structure, and abuse it, and fit a lot of those hateful Nazi stereotypes? Sure, I think Bernie Sanders most definitely fits those stereotypes, but he's just one man stacked up against a whole race/religion. I don't judge whole groups based on the actions of a few, unless it's the huge populations themselves doing something bad.

I wouldn't know anything about that, but I do know in today's world, there's all sorts of statistics that put their own political spin on the numbers they give. Polling is about as unreliable as ever, and the net proves you can hack the system to rig the game and spew out false results. It's a post-modern world, so while there might be basis for people to have that interpretation, I'm not sure it's what they think it is, nor do I trust any organization that gives these surveys and results. I only trust those close to me in my life now. The organizational and institutionalized power structure? Meh, fuck it.

[Karha of Honor]

And I can understand that.

Of course, KKK and Nazis are hard-righters. Those who lean more towards "white men are the real victims now," a position I disagree with, but can still respect, as it's their right to do so, come from mostly center righters, imo.

You cannot be that and want a big welfare state?