Youtuber Sargon of Akkad declares his intention to run as an MEP

[Admiral X]

Doctor, heal thyself.

[unknownsample]

No Draco, I wrote exactly what I wanted to write. The UK police that is investigating him is the same UK police that had "Count Dankula" arrested and trialed for a joke.

As for the Daily Mirror..., this is from their article: "The cache of documents also includes a racist pornographic tweet Benjamin posted showing a white woman having sex with three black men, under which he wrote: ‘So this is your sister.’" A Tweet that got him initially banned from twitter only to be reinstated after it was found out his twitter had been hacked. But hey, I guess the people at Twitter didn't do any verification of the hacking claim and just reinstated him because of peer pressure - only to ban him a little wile later.

That article is not journalism. A journalist wouldn't have just published those claims, he would have sought to corroborate that evidence with second and third sources. Glen Owen didn't. What you were asking clearspira to do was Mr. Glen Owen's job for the benefit of unknownsample who posted the link in the first place.

Since that was my first post in this thread, I am extremely curious unknownsample what you think you pointed out and when about what I previously said. You know, since that was my first post on this thread and you never replied to me directly. Congrats on literally making my point for me, again.

Then again, someone who doesn't think context matter and that "Either he said it or he didn't, I have backed up my claim by linking to a news story." is an argument needn't bother.

No that's a pathetic answer, the only context we need to know is that Carl Benjamin is an edgelord with the mentality of a 14 year old, who appeals to people who think their smarter than everyone else but don't have a clue what their talking about.

The bolded part applies to you.

[unknownsample]

Oh and Alucrard you do realise that A the UK Police doesn't exist.

B Count Wankula was charged by Police Scotland

C Benjamin is being investigated by Wiltshire Police after a dossier was given to them by a member of UKIP.

[AlucardNoir]

No that's a pathetic answer, the only context we need to know is that Carl Benjamin is an edgelord with the mentality of a 14 year old, who appeals to people who think their smarter than everyone else but don't have a clue what their talking about.

The bolded part applies to you.

Your position is that context doesn't matter and that all that matters is if someone said something that's offensive or not... Yeah, I can see how you'd think Sargon is an edge lord and both he and I think we're smarter then everybody else "but don't have a clue". We're both smarter then you and we disagree with your world view so we must clearly have no clue.

oh, and as to your second post - because you forgot you can edit apperantly.
A - yes I do, I was referencing the incredible level of collaboration and extralegal behavioral conformity the different police forces of the United Kingdom have exemplified as of late - all of with more then a little bit worrisome.
B - Charged, trialed and fined for a politically incorrect joke, I know.
C - Yes, I did read the "article" you so graciously posted.

EDIT: btw, you should be careful with linking articles like that in the future, with the EU Parliament having past that great new Copyright Directive you might get Chuck's forum in legal trouble.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I feel like this isn't really a discussion.

[Madner Kami]

One side tries to make an arguement, the other side refuses to even consider that they could be wrong, because they claim moral superiority. No, certainly not a discussion.

[clearspira]

I really don't know why you guys are discussing this. There are very few that can actually vote for him, they're the ones that should be discussing this. As for what he's said and done — when the media portray him as an alt right neo nazi or a far right nazi when he obviously isn't one, the media just can't be trusted.

As for the Draco/unknown debate that's been going on for the last few pages — congrats, you're both morons. One of you took an out of context claim from the media that vilifies Sargon at face value, in an argument from authority kind of way, wile the other tried to combat that without actually bringing anything more than speculation to the table. Congrats, you're both at least as vacuous as the start of this thread would have us believe Sargon is.

Sargon may not be the best candidate for the job, but hes definitely the candidate voters like you deserve. He'd represent the likes of you two perfectly.

I think you've got me confused with clearspira. Because all I did was point out combat that without actually bringing anything more than speculation to the table attempt to "combat [an augment from authority] without actually bringing anything more than speculation to the table".

Also I pointed out what he said and Clearspira and others blathered about context.

Seeing as both I and Sargon knows that people like you will never look beyond what others tell you, he posted the rest of the conversation. It starts at 1.46. This is why you leave behind muh narrative and think critically, especially when the mainstream media is involved.


youtu.be/yzD_AQZE8xU

You wouldn't know what critcal thinking was if you walked straight into it.

LOL! Is that the best you can do? I guess I can't expect more from someone who is staring the evidence that he has been lied to in the face and still can't admit it. Acknowledge the vid or stop wasting everyone's time.

[Draco Dracul]

I mean you are also refusing to do the research and basically asking unknownsample to do the research for you side, the defence of Carl Benjamin.

As far as I am aware, unknownsample is the one who makes a statement and is thus in the position that he has to proove his point, when being confronted. Basic Discussion Etiquette 101. Come on.

What do I have to prove? Either he said it or he didn't, I have backed up my claim by linking to a news story. Clearspira going on about context is deflection from what Benjamin.

You can make anyone sound like a bigot if you take a comment out of context. That's why.

And if it's your claim that context changes the statement, you are making a positive claim and need to provide evidence.

Here's how context changes a situation.


youtu.be/_SsccRkLLzU

And this provides explanatory context to Sargon's statement how? That context could conceivably exist that makes a statement less bad is fundamentally meaningless unless that context is provided.

I'm sorry if my language was confusing and lead you to believe I meant context in general rather than context for the particular instance that you were defending.

Edit: Good on you for actually providing the context.

What do I have to prove? Either he said it or he didn't, I have backed up my claim by linking to a news story. Clearspira going on about context is deflection from what Benjamin.

Because the only people who don't think context plays any part in what a person says are the kind of people who think Orwell's stories were instruction manuals instead of warnings.

And if you are claiming an exculpatory context exists for a particular statement the onus is on you to provide it.

[AlucardNoir]

Is this more to your gentlemen's satisfaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpjIj2kVmEY ?

[clearspira]

I mean you are also refusing to do the research and basically asking unknownsample to do the research for you side, the defence of Carl Benjamin.

As far as I am aware, unknownsample is the one who makes a statement and is thus in the position that he has to proove his point, when being confronted. Basic Discussion Etiquette 101. Come on.

What do I have to prove? Either he said it or he didn't, I have backed up my claim by linking to a news story. Clearspira going on about context is deflection from what Benjamin.

You can make anyone sound like a bigot if you take a comment out of context. That's why.

And if it's your claim that context changes the statement, you are making a positive claim and need to provide evidence.

Here's how context changes a situation.


youtu.be/_SsccRkLLzU

And this provides explanatory context to Sargon's statement how? That context could conceivably exist that makes a statement less bad is fundamentally meaningless unless that context is provided.

I'm sorry if my language was confusing and lead you to believe I meant context in general rather than context for the particular instance that you were defending.

Edit: Good on you for actually providing the context.

I am talking context in general. At no point in this thread have I defended Sargon; I am defending the truth. It just so happens that it is on a thread about Sargon.
As I proved by posting the actual video where Sargon ''defends'' pedophilia he is doing nothing of the sort. Its a smear by the mostly pro-EU media who know full well that UKIP and the Brexit party are going to clean house.