Twitter won't use anti-nazi algorhithm because it might flag GOP

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Re: Twitter won't use anti-nazi algorhithm because it might flag GOP

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Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:24 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:23 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:23 pm That's odd, considering that there's a clear distinction between thinking one race should be treated as better or worse than anyone else and thinking that everyone should be treated equally. The former is a sign of white supremacy... or the regressive left, of course. I can't recall any GOP member at the national level in modern times asking for discrimination in favor of whites.

It sounds like they need better algorithms. Maybe after some of those former members of Buzzfeed learn to code, they can help out there,
Or perhaps national GOP members are like, retweeting a lot of the same videos and images as white nationalists, using a lot of the same hashtags as white nationalists, and share a lot of popular phrasing and language choices with white nationalists.
That does not really damn the right.

The same way it should not damn the Left if a black masculinist black supremacy cult was retweeting and liking a lot of the same stuff they did.
No that would be pretty damning for the left. It would show that have major views they are with this black supremacist cult. The
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:53 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:21 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:24 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:23 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:23 pm That's odd, considering that there's a clear distinction between thinking one race should be treated as better or worse than anyone else and thinking that everyone should be treated equally. The former is a sign of white supremacy... or the regressive left, of course. I can't recall any GOP member at the national level in modern times asking for discrimination in favor of whites.

It sounds like they need better algorithms. Maybe after some of those former members of Buzzfeed learn to code, they can help out there,
Or perhaps national GOP members are like, retweeting a lot of the same videos and images as white nationalists, using a lot of the same hashtags as white nationalists, and share a lot of popular phrasing and language choices with white nationalists.
That does not really damn the right.

The same way it should not damn the Left if a black masculinist black supremacy cult was retweeting and liking a lot of the same stuff they did.
I am merely offering an explanation for the phenomenon.
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Your nose is telling you a bit much. All I think of the situation after reading the article goes as Fuzzy describes. I really don't know where there is such, but I'm willing to consider an overlap exists more between Repubs and extreme right than there is with ISIS beheadings and any whatsoever recognized identity groups in the US.

That's not very judgemental in itself, but is a pretty low bar to clear. So it makes sense to also be able to fit that into a right vs left thing, but from what the article is explicitly about, there's no reason to assert that it is.
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Draco Dracul wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 2:44 am
No that would be pretty damning for the left. It would show that have major views they are with this black supremacist cult. The
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 4:00 am Your nose is telling you a bit much. All I think of the situation after reading the article goes as Fuzzy describes. I really don't know where there is such, but I'm willing to consider an overlap exists more between Repubs and extreme right than there is with ISIS beheadings and any whatsoever recognized identity groups in the US.

That's not very judgemental in itself, but is a pretty low bar to clear. So it makes sense to also be able to fit that into a right vs left thing, but from what the article is explicitly about, there's no reason to assert that it is.
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 10:33 am Don't pet your dog like Hitler did. Use the back of your hand. Pretty low bar to clear.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:21 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:24 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:23 am
Darth Wedgius wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:23 pm That's odd, considering that there's a clear distinction between thinking one race should be treated as better or worse than anyone else and thinking that everyone should be treated equally. The former is a sign of white supremacy... or the regressive left, of course. I can't recall any GOP member at the national level in modern times asking for discrimination in favor of whites.

It sounds like they need better algorithms. Maybe after some of those former members of Buzzfeed learn to code, they can help out there,
Or perhaps national GOP members are like, retweeting a lot of the same videos and images as white nationalists, using a lot of the same hashtags as white nationalists, and share a lot of popular phrasing and language choices with white nationalists.
That does not really damn the right.

The same way it should not damn the Left if a black masculinist black supremacy cult was retweeting and liking a lot of the same stuff they did.
I am merely offering an explanation for the phenomenon.
Fuzzy, there are major things that distinguish the vast majority of the GOP from Nazis. Belief in white supremacy would be a big one. A desire for an ethnostate would be another. The 14(?) words, Heil Hitlers, and whatever... Why wouldn't a filter choose those?

Your explanation of why they couldn't be distinguished has a problem in that it doesn't explain why they couldn't be distinguished. Saying that there are commonalities doesn't explain why things that were not in common weren't used, when those are the point of distinguishing. Saying I couldn't distinguish men from women because it turns out they often both wear pants would make me a lousy doctor.

Unless Twitter is so far left that they think "Protect gun rights" or "Oppose race-based college admissions" are positions exclusive to Nazis.
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Eh, if the shoe fits...
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AlucardNoir wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 1:45 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 10:33 am Don't pet your dog like Hitler did. Use the back of your hand. Pretty low bar to clear.
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ProfessorDetective wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 4:49 pm Eh, if the shoe fits...
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OK, let's get off it a little.

The problem with the algorithm Twitter refuses to use is that it's extremely aggressive. It would be similar to the algorithms that Twitter uses to police Jihadists or child pornography, which are so aggressive that you get misfires that end up targeting some Arabic news stations. If they did this, the concern is that the algorithm will flag a Republican (concerns seem to revolve around Steve King and Trump) and delete their posts, which is going to cause a massive shitstorm.
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TGLS wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 5:57 pm OK, let's get off it a little.

The problem with the algorithm Twitter refuses to use is that it's extremely aggressive. It would be similar to the algorithms that Twitter uses to police Jihadists or child pornography, which are so aggressive that you get misfires that end up targeting some Arabic news stations. If they did this, the concern is that the algorithm will flag a Republican (concerns seem to revolve around Steve King and Trump) and delete their posts, which is going to cause a massive shitstorm.
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