The Cardassian Occupation of Bajor was rather mild

[Mecha82]

Granted, she was also pretty hostile to the Jedi and tried to shoehorn the Mandalorians as some "third party" to the Jedi vs. Sith thing, super-warriors capable of fighting Force-sensitives through their super-warrior training. So some fans undoubtedly took issue with that as well.

To be fair in both Legends and Canon Mandalorians have they special armor made from material that shuts down lightsabers and we know that not only they have fought against Jedi during ancient times (Mandalorian Wars) but some like Jango Fett were Jedi Killers so it's not really far fetched. It has been made clear that Jedi and Sith aren't some un-killable gods that those that aren't force sensitive can't even touch so I don't get why those fans took issue with that when they should know that.

[Jonathan101]

Granted, she was also pretty hostile to the Jedi and tried to shoehorn the Mandalorians as some "third party" to the Jedi vs. Sith thing, super-warriors capable of fighting Force-sensitives through their super-warrior training. So some fans undoubtedly took issue with that as well.

Wait just a second, is this what Benicio was supposed to be babbling about in TLJ?

No, he was talking about the First Order and the Resistance both buying weapons from third parties.

(the First Order at least clearly makes their own but whatever).

This is about the Mandalorians actually fighting with the Jedi and the Sith.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Granted, she was also pretty hostile to the Jedi and tried to shoehorn the Mandalorians as some "third party" to the Jedi vs. Sith thing, super-warriors capable of fighting Force-sensitives through their super-warrior training. So some fans undoubtedly took issue with that as well.

Wait just a second, is this what Benicio was supposed to be babbling about in TLJ?

No, he was talking about the First Order and the Resistance both buying weapons from third parties.

(the First Order at least clearly makes their own but whatever).

This is about the Mandalorians actually fighting with the Jedi and the Sith.

Yes I was aware of the subject matter as exhibited by Del Toro in the movie, The Last Jedi.

[Jonathan101]

Granted, she was also pretty hostile to the Jedi and tried to shoehorn the Mandalorians as some "third party" to the Jedi vs. Sith thing, super-warriors capable of fighting Force-sensitives through their super-warrior training. So some fans undoubtedly took issue with that as well.

Wait just a second, is this what Benicio was supposed to be babbling about in TLJ?

No, he was talking about the First Order and the Resistance both buying weapons from third parties.

(the First Order at least clearly makes their own but whatever).

This is about the Mandalorians actually fighting with the Jedi and the Sith.

Yes I was aware of the subject matter as exhibited by Del Toro in the movie, The Last Jedi.

And I was re-articulating it in order to make clear that it isn't the same as what was being talked about with the Mandalorians.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Granted, she was also pretty hostile to the Jedi and tried to shoehorn the Mandalorians as some "third party" to the Jedi vs. Sith thing, super-warriors capable of fighting Force-sensitives through their super-warrior training. So some fans undoubtedly took issue with that as well.

Wait just a second, is this what Benicio was supposed to be babbling about in TLJ?

No, he was talking about the First Order and the Resistance both buying weapons from third parties.

(the First Order at least clearly makes their own but whatever).

This is about the Mandalorians actually fighting with the Jedi and the Sith.

Yes I was aware of the subject matter as exhibited by Del Toro in the movie, The Last Jedi.

And I was re-articulating it in order to make clear that it isn't the same as what was being talked about with the Mandalorians.

Oh for sure, I really wasn't wanting to be a dick with that retort. What I was trying to inquire was more about subtext than explicit context. The movie alluded to the Force as a more universal presence in which establishing a hierarchical good side to it exacerbates the harmony between it and the "material" universe.

Making the force a "third party" coincides with Del Toro's take on it saying that the dichotomy of good and bad is rubbish as far as third parties are concerned.

[Jonathan101]

I don't think that's what the movie was going for. I think it was more just suggesting that the Jedi could not be that good because they failed and they needed something else to replace them.

Movie-wise this won't work since future sequels will obviously need villainous forces anyway, so it really just seems like an excuse to rewrite the lore, get rid of the Jedi and make their own thing because Star Wars isn't woke enough.

Regardless it's not what was meant by the Mandalorians being a third party; though they might agree that good and bad are kind of rubbish concepts from their POV, that's more a feature of their mercenary warrior culture than anything else. What was meant was that the author Karen Travis wrote the Mandalorians as a bunch of badass Sues who were the equals or even superiors of the Jedi and Sith in every meaningful way.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't think that's what the movie was going for. I think it was more just suggesting that the Jedi could not be that good because they failed and they needed something else to replace them.

Movie-wise this won't work since future sequels will obviously need villainous forces anyway, so it really just seems like an excuse to rewrite the lore, get rid of the Jedi and make their own thing because Star Wars isn't woke enough.

Regardless it's not what was meant by the Mandalorians being a third party; though they might agree that good and bad are kind of rubbish concepts from their POV, that's more a feature of their mercenary warrior culture than anything else. What was meant was that the author Karen Travis wrote the Mandalorians as a bunch of badass Sues who were the equals or even superiors of the Jedi and Sith in every meaningful way.

Oh wow, sorry for my confusion. I made a serious misread.

[Jonathan101]

I forgive you.

[clearspira]

All this just proves to me just how convoluted Star Wars has become. It was a lot simpler when there were just three films and none of this tie-in crap. He wasn't a warrior from some great race with lightsaber proof armour; he wasn't a badass warrior clone made to battle the Jedi; he was just some guy who Vader had to remind not to kill Solo. That is his whole contribution to the original trilogy.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I think this video gives some pretty helpful analysis of the Bota Fett phenomenon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db7OsixErzM