Avengers: Endgame

[Mecha82]

Clearspira I think you're trying too hard to rationalize your hate-boner.

And you are just a bit naive/blind/ignorant on the state of the real world.

You are arrogant if you think that everyone should be like you and take sides instead of being rational human beings able to think for themselves without having to be in some extreme. I am sorry but you don't have right to tell anyone what they should think. You are no better than those that you are so against.

[clearspira]

Clearspira I think you're trying too hard to rationalize your hate-boner.

And you are just a bit naive/blind/ignorant on the state of the real world.

You are arrogant if you think that everyone should be like you and take sides instead of being rational human beings able to think for themselves without having to be in some extreme. I am sorry but you don't have right to tell anyone what they should think. You are no better than those that you are so against.

I don't recall ever telling anyone what they should think. I am merely pointing out what it is.

[Yukaphile]

Well, tbf, we all have our own interpretation of What Things Are TM. Not taking a side here, just pointing that out.

[Mecha82]

Sadly with some that interpretation includes that what ever they say is truth when it's clearly just they opinion and everyone should also believe that as well as "if you are not with me then you are against me"-thinking. I am sorry but people like that really piss me off because of how arrogant and self-centered they are that they want to push they own views on everyone else while seeing themselves better than everyone else. It's one reason why I stay neutral.

[Yukaphile]

Um... did I deny most interpretations are opinion? We all have our beliefs.

[ChiggyvonRichthofen]

The women all gathering together is a decent enough example of my issue with the fan service in this film. There's no in-universe reason for only the female characters to gather around to protect Captain Marvel. It exists solely as a "girl power" moment rather than a "this makes sense in the context of the story" moment.

So are all those times where a bunch of male characters gather together also fanservice?

If there were a scene every male hero across the MCU gathered together to protect another male hero while purposefully excluding any of the female characters from the frame? There's no scene like that and it would absolutely be very strange and upsetting to people.

If it were a scene where a bunch of female characters just happened to gather together for some story reason then no one should bat an eye, but that's not what this was. This was obvious pandering. But as I said, the movie has many similarly inorganic moments.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The women all gathering together is a decent enough example of my issue with the fan service in this film. There's no in-universe reason for only the female characters to gather around to protect Captain Marvel. It exists solely as a "girl power" moment rather than a "this makes sense in the context of the story" moment.

So are all those times where a bunch of male characters gather together also fanservice?

You are ignorantly or willfully ignoring the intent behind those two examples. Poor show, old bean.

Yeah, just saying I'm ignorant when I don't have the same interpretation of a film to you isn't such a good show or a compelling argument.

...on an unrelated note, would anyone who liked Infinity War BETTER than Endgame please explain to me why? Nothing against you, I just struggled to get through that one and found this movie a comparatively much more pleasant experience.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The women all gathering together is a decent enough example of my issue with the fan service in this film. There's no in-universe reason for only the female characters to gather around to protect Captain Marvel. It exists solely as a "girl power" moment rather than a "this makes sense in the context of the story" moment.

So are all those times where a bunch of male characters gather together also fanservice?

If there were a scene every male hero across the MCU gathered together to protect another male hero while purposefully excluding any of the female characters from the frame? There's no scene like that and it would absolutely be very strange and upsetting to people.

If it were a scene where a bunch of female characters just happened to gather together for some story reason then no one should bat an eye, but that's not what this was. This was obvious pandering. But as I said, the movie has many similarly inorganic moments.

It didn't include EVERY female hero. To start with there was only one Valkyrie and one of the elite Wakandan throne-warriors. But I posit that all the male characters of the MCU would be less likely to fit in a single shot.

If you do want lots of examples of male characters grouped together with the token girl inexplicably absent, I would direct you to an abundance of Avengers licensed merchandise.

[ChiggyvonRichthofen]

It didn't include EVERY female hero. To start with there was only one Valkyrie and one of the elite Wakandan throne-warriors. But I posit that all the male characters of the MCU would be less likely to fit in a single shot.

If you do want lots of examples of male characters grouped together with the token girl inexplicably absent, I would direct you to an abundance of Avengers licensed merchandise.

Every named female hero, then, or close enough to it.

I didn't imply that female heroes haven't gotten the short stick on plenty of occasions, or that they haven't been ignored in various circumstances. What I'm saying is that they took time out to obviously pander during the culminating battle, the climax of almost two dozen films, and it was super awkward. If it were all male characters it would have been awkward too. But again, it's only one of several such moments.

...on an unrelated note, would anyone who liked Infinity War BETTER than Endgame please explain to me why? Nothing against you, I just struggled to get through that one and found this movie a comparatively much more pleasant experience.

I thought Infinity War was a tighter, tenser film. The fights had a sense of desperation, and I thought there were fewer holes overall.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't think it's necessarily likely that they would all be in the same place in the moments following Marvel's arrival.