Plainclothes cops shoot three black children in the head

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Re: Plainclothes cops shoot three black children in the head

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LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:01 pmFuzzy is not an unreasonable guy,
Are we talking of the same person? You did read his second comment in this thread, where he goes full retard and declares the cops to be snipers with an intend to kill kids, right?
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:01 pmBUT.....Fuzzy can be forgiven
No, he can't. That guy needs to learn to check his sources and not just jump to the most stupid conclusions all the time, just because some random article ends up in his news-feed. This isn't the first time he does it and no matter how often someone points to flaws in the articles he links or the conclusions he draws, he keeps doing that. There's a point where it stops being excuseable, especially when he decides to double-down on stupid.

Also, in Re: Only a suspect. The cam-footage of the Pizza Hut was released, at least two photos of it. Now I don't expect Fuzzy to find these, but I expect him to check for both sides of a story, before running off with an outlandish conclusion that is always going to be biased the way he prefers. And he of all people should be aware of what kind of bullshit he is fabricating here, because Fake News is a thing precisely because people like him are all too willing to just take everything for truth that their prefered newspaper tells them.

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The oh so great and innocent father. And here two shots from the Pizza Hut:

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This article includes a video that shows footage of the truck in question. This is checking your sources. Fuzzy should try that, just once in his life.

P.S.: And I understand very well the situation the US citizens are in, regardig their police-forces and distrust is well placed. But being skeptic about their story is not synonymous with everyone who ends up on the smoking end of an officer's gun is automatically a victim of racism. Also, it can't be emphasized enough, you live in a country where the police has to expect everybody being armed and this doubly so, if the person the police is trying to check is known to not just have a gun, but is also known to use it in not-so-socially-acceptable ways. It's hardly a surprise or unreasonable for them to shoot such a person when in doubt, particularly when that person refuses to halt their car or moves their hands in a way that allows to conclude a possible attack. That innocents are going to get hurt inevitably and that this should not happen and needs to be condemned, goes without saying, but at least have the decency to account for circumstance and not just jump to conclusions, while willingly siding yourself with the worst people your society has to offer, just because you feel it confirms one of your prejudices.
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LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:01 pmFuzzy is not an unreasonable guy,
Now who's spinning stories?

The article actually seems fine. While the title of the thread here is pushing a Black Lives Matter narrative, the community depicted in the article seems to be just stressing more proper transparent accountability and resolution on the matter.
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Madner Kami wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:37 pmAre we talking of the same person? You did read his second comment in this thread, where he goes full retard and declares the cops to be snipers with an intend to kill kids, right?
As the good book says: Let he who has never exaggerated for effect throw the first stone. Or something like that.

We're not Reddit, where the odds of running to the same person twice is minuscule and context has to be drawn from scratch every time. We're a tiny group that gathers in Chuck's basement to drink beer, watch SciFi and make wisecracks at each other, and we've been around long enough to establish expectations. You KNOW Fuzzy, you know when he means it and when, well....


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Granted, Fuzzy rolls more than most, but in a group like ours, it always pays to assume the best of each other. And personally, I'll take rolling and passionate over accurate and apathetic any day of the week.
No, he can't.
Cutting a full sentence down to to five words for the purpose of a rebuttal is every bit the rhetorical sin that Fuzzy commits. And I stand by my full sentence, because the proliferation of cameras throughout society has given America a brutal wake up call about exactly how out of control their police officers can sometimes be. I really can't blame any American for not immediately accepting the official line from the police as gospel truth...we've just been burned by them too many times recently. Now, can some people take this too far? Absolutely. Is Fuzzy one of those people? Occasionally. ;) But again, always assume the best. We're all friends here.
Now I don't expect Fuzzy to find these, but I expect him to check for both sides of a story, before running off with an outlandish conclusion that is always going to be biased the way he prefers.
Ah. I think I see the disconnect...it's possible that you simply have much higher expectations of humanity in general than I do. In my experience, the number of people that are actually going to do that kind of thing regularly is absolutely tiny. Almost everyone falls into circles of influence - it's just kind of what humans do. Fox News has probably been the most successful at capitalizing on this tendency, but it happens everywhere, and political ideology is no defense.

Telling me that Fuzzy seeks out sources of information that tell him what he wants to hear is kind of like telling me he's a biped - it's just something I generally assume when I'm dealing with humans. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out on it when that tendency leads him astray - but there's no reason not to do it nicely. The slow blade penetrates the shield, after all, and god willing, we'll all be back here next week.
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LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pmAs the good book says: Let he who has never exaggerated for effect throw the first stone. Or something like that.
Exaggeration is one thing, spinning a totally new narrative an entirely different thing.
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pmYou KNOW Fuzzy, you know when he means it and when, well...

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Granted, Fuzzy rolls more than most, but in a group like ours, it always pays to assume the best of each other. And personally, I'll take rolling and passionate over accurate and apathetic any day of the week.
I actually do not know when he means it and when he's just "rolling". I know him as someone who probably wants to improve human society and who wants to point out lapses in decent human behaviour to others. But I also know him as someone who spins stories to his liking, because he either just does not read what he links or, presumably, falls victim to biased news-groups, articles and according comments which reduce complex issues to one-liners and omit half the story and that is the benign view of what he keeps doing here. Him just fooling around or him just being an absolute spanner is, because of that, functionally indistinguishable to me (did I type that bitch of a word right?). Just see his reaction in his second post here. It seems to me, that you read it as him "just rolling". To me, it's him making a total retard out of himself and one-upping his false narrative as given by the thread's topic, essentially him putting his hands over his ears and shouting "LALALALA I CAN NOT HEAR YOU!" louder and louder, until he really does not hear what I have to say. This is a sort of behaviour I expect from a 5 year old, not from someone who allegedly fights racism and bigotry.
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pmCutting a full sentence down to to five words for the purpose of a rebuttal is every bit the rhetorical sin that Fuzzy commits.
I cut quotes for the sake of readability. If I misquote you when doing so, feel free to point it out. I feel I did not.
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pmAnd I stand by my full sentence, because the proliferation of cameras throughout society has given America a brutal wake up call about exactly how out of control their police officers can sometimes be.
There is "not accepting the official line" at it's face value, a sentiment I stronlgy agree with in particular when it comes to US police forces, and then there's painting them as monstrosities just because their line differs from what a black man says. Fuzzy almost always opts for the later out of reflex and more than once stumbled over his inability to see over his own bigotry and racism.
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pmAh. I think I see the disconnect...it's possible that you simply have much higher expectations of humanity in general than I do.
I don't. I have higher expectations to someone who allegedly wants to make the world a better place. I don't expect a Trump to ever get away from Fox(ing), but I expect someone like Fuzzy to get away from left-wing-Fox(ing). If we don't hold people who want to impose a new order onto us to a higher standard than those who brought us to where we are or who try to keep us where we are, then we are just doing an exercise in futility.
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pmIn my experience, the number of people that are actually going to do that kind of thing regularly is absolutely tiny. Almost everyone falls into circles of influence - it's just kind of what humans do. Fox News has probably been the most successful at capitalizing on this tendency, but it happens everywhere, and political ideology is no defense.
Exactly. Political ideology is no defense. That is precisely what I am pointing out here. I don't hold the illusion that I or anyone is free of flaws or biases, but the person who feels passionate about something should at least have the basic fucking decency to fact-check about what he is writing and not just regurgitate or spin mountains out of craters.
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pmTelling me that Fuzzy seeks out sources of information that tell him what he wants to hear is kind of like telling me he's a biped - it's just something I generally assume when I'm dealing with humans. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out on it when that tendency leads him astray - but there's no reason not to do it nicely. The slow blade penetrates the shield, after all, and god willing, we'll all be back here next week.
What I learned is, that I have to assume that whatever Fuzzy is writing or linking is bullshit and needs to be fact-checked. Great job there, trying to make the world a better place... *slowclap* I'm sorry, sincerely, but I just have lost all patience with that type of behaviour and don't see why I have to be nice about it, when it infuriates me, because it reduces what should be good intentions, to the level of the common southern Trump-voter. I find that tragic and upsetting and that's not something I feel I nor anyone should be nice about.
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Madner Kami wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:37 pm
LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:01 pmFuzzy is not an unreasonable guy,
Are we talking of the same person? You did read his second comment in this thread, where he goes full retard and declares the cops to be snipers with an intend to kill kids, right?
1. Please don't use that word as an insult.

2. It wouldn't be the first time.

3. I have seen enough hear to say that I didn't read the article carefully or check for another explanation. Does that ease your frustration at all?
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I follow what you're saying, LittleRaven, but that's a pill that's a bit easier to swallow for American leftists. This is kind of a crude way of putting it, but this isn't exactly a left-wing echo chamber. You throw a link like that in one and people can run with it for all the questionable details about the case that were even brought up here. If it happens to be the case that Fuzzy gets ahead of himself and posts that there, then it's likely to not even surface as everybody's on page with the same primary concerns.

This is hardly a left-wing forum needless to say. There's plenty of fertile ground to discuss problematic aspects of these stories, albeit discreetly given the right-wing presence here. So, throwing 20 links a day in the news section, sometimes going so far as to say that he doesn't even care to elaborate after posting just a bare URL link in the OP, gets a bit distracting.
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But yeah personally speaking I don't see it as an outright problem or anything, so I guess I agree with that overall point to a certain degree.
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LittleRaven wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:39 pm
Madner Kami wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:37 pmAre we talking of the same person? You did read his second comment in this thread, where he goes full retard and declares the cops to be snipers with an intend to kill kids, right?
As the good book says: Let he who has never exaggerated for effect throw the first stone. Or something like that.

We're not Reddit, where the odds of running to the same person twice is minuscule and context has to be drawn from scratch every time. We're a tiny group that gathers in Chuck's basement to drink beer, watch SciFi and make wisecracks at each other, and we've been around long enough to establish expectations. You KNOW Fuzzy, you know when he means it and when, well....


youtu.be/fLZubB22edw

Granted, Fuzzy rolls more than most, but in a group like ours, it always pays to assume the best of each other. And personally, I'll take rolling and passionate over accurate and apathetic any day of the week.
No, he can't.
Cutting a full sentence down to to five words for the purpose of a rebuttal is every bit the rhetorical sin that Fuzzy commits. And I stand by my full sentence, because the proliferation of cameras throughout society has given America a brutal wake up call about exactly how out of control their police officers can sometimes be. I really can't blame any American for not immediately accepting the official line from the police as gospel truth...we've just been burned by them too many times recently. Now, can some people take this too far? Absolutely. Is Fuzzy one of those people? Occasionally. ;) But again, always assume the best. We're all friends here.
Now I don't expect Fuzzy to find these, but I expect him to check for both sides of a story, before running off with an outlandish conclusion that is always going to be biased the way he prefers.
Ah. I think I see the disconnect...it's possible that you simply have much higher expectations of humanity in general than I do. In my experience, the number of people that are actually going to do that kind of thing regularly is absolutely tiny. Almost everyone falls into circles of influence - it's just kind of what humans do. Fox News has probably been the most successful at capitalizing on this tendency, but it happens everywhere, and political ideology is no defense.

Telling me that Fuzzy seeks out sources of information that tell him what he wants to hear is kind of like telling me he's a biped - it's just something I generally assume when I'm dealing with humans. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out on it when that tendency leads him astray - but there's no reason not to do it nicely. The slow blade penetrates the shield, after all, and god willing, we'll all be back here next week.
It's more like bare knuckle fight ring in his basement.

Fuzzy needs to be more of a sniper, period.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 2:37 am There's plenty of fertile ground to discuss problematic aspects of these stories, albeit discreetly given the right-wing presence here.

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Slash Gallagher wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 8:42 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 2:37 am There's plenty of fertile ground to discuss problematic aspects of these stories, albeit discreetly given the right-wing presence here.

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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 7:31 pm
Slash Gallagher wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 8:42 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 2:37 am There's plenty of fertile ground to discuss problematic aspects of these stories, albeit discreetly given the right-wing presence here.

My prefered method of calling out my side or the other side in the 2019 Internet...

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