Alabama bans abortion

[Yukaphile]

And trust me, once the artificial womb is invented, they won't care about handing the hard work of carrying a child over to that - it really is about controlling women.

[Karha of Honor]

I dunno, is it really that rare? But I'm center left, again. Not radical/hardcore left. I can sympathize to the ideas of socialism and communism, give workers control over their own products, but basically, I also think that would require huge reform, and you can't do it instantly. Not without revolution, which is bad. I guess I'd say if it's possible to revise capitalism to be more fair, I'd support that. If it works.

Hey, be fair. I do think about that sometimes. It's why the world hurts.

I think by the time i am an old grandpa we should basically be Ferengi...

But i am not radical in any way...

It will take a long time...

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

This ignores that one person involved is inconvenienced (and at slight risk of serious injury or death for several months), and in return the other person doesn't die.

18-life spent in servitude under penalty of imprisonment (which will also inevitably involve servitude) is "an inconvenience"?

Nine months is an inconvenience.

Hey, I'm going to slowly siphon off your blood and bone marrow, important nutrients, and screw with just about every part of your digestive and limbic systems. It's a little inconvenient, but there's worse things to put up with, right? Don't be whiny.

[Darth Wedgius]

Nine months is an inconvenience.

It is not nine months. Shipping children off to the orphanarium immediately upon birth is barely possible now, it will be actually impossible for all but the luckiest few very, very quickly under such a forced birth scenario: the state only has so much capacity for the unwanted. The sentence is at minimum 18 years until adulthood, but quite likely until you die.

Or of course an epidemic of infants in dumpsters and doorways to die of exposure, so you murdered an actual person and not mere fluid. But of course only so many will have the stealth to pull that off, tricky thing to carry for 9 months and give birth without the authorities catching wind to imprison you for it.

So no. It's a lifetime of servitude. Because you insist on attributing personhood to a non-sapient clump of cells that does not meaningfully qualify as a person.

All 50 states have safe haven laws. Drop the infant off and walk away.

[Admiral X]

Oh, hey, more government. But I thought y'all wanted more government.

[clearspira]

Nine months is an inconvenience.

It is not nine months. Shipping children off to the orphanarium immediately upon birth is barely possible now, it will be actually impossible for all but the luckiest few very, very quickly under such a forced birth scenario: the state only has so much capacity for the unwanted. The sentence is at minimum 18 years until adulthood, but quite likely until you die.

Or of course an epidemic of infants in dumpsters and doorways to die of exposure, so you murdered an actual person and not mere fluid. But of course only so many will have the stealth to pull that off, tricky thing to carry for 9 months and give birth without the authorities catching wind to imprison you for it.

So no. It's a lifetime of servitude. Because you insist on attributing personhood to a non-sapient clump of cells that does not meaningfully qualify as a person.

All 50 states have safe haven laws. Drop the infant off and walk away.

Whereby... what exactly? See, I grew up without a dad. Its f-ing shit. I have total respect for single mothers because I saw my mum do it, but I still needed my dad. Ask Yuka - even with all the crap he has gone through with his father I bet he will still tell you that.
I cannot imagine what it must be like to have no parents at all. The loneliness, the uncertainty, the depression. And statistically, if you are not adopted by the time you are 5 years old, then you are not going to be adopted at all. Meaning that this is your life until the home kicks you out with its best wishes. But that is what you are advocating because you cannot bear to see a clump of cells vanish.

There are things worse than death and a loveless childhood is one of them as the suicide rate of orphans will tell you.

But seeing as you think that pregnancy is ''a mere inconvenience'' (which you as a guy can say without ever having to see for yourself ) I can see why you would think the life of an orphan is some kind of blessing.

[Darth Wedgius]

Nine months is an inconvenience.

It is not nine months. Shipping children off to the orphanarium immediately upon birth is barely possible now, it will be actually impossible for all but the luckiest few very, very quickly under such a forced birth scenario: the state only has so much capacity for the unwanted. The sentence is at minimum 18 years until adulthood, but quite likely until you die.

Or of course an epidemic of infants in dumpsters and doorways to die of exposure, so you murdered an actual person and not mere fluid. But of course only so many will have the stealth to pull that off, tricky thing to carry for 9 months and give birth without the authorities catching wind to imprison you for it.

So no. It's a lifetime of servitude. Because you insist on attributing personhood to a non-sapient clump of cells that does not meaningfully qualify as a person.

All 50 states have safe haven laws. Drop the infant off and walk away.

Whereby... what exactly? See, I grew up without a dad. Its f-ing shit. I have total respect for single mothers because I saw my mum do it, but I still needed my dad. Ask Yuka - even with all the crap he has gone through with his father I bet he will still tell you that.
I cannot imagine what it must be like to have no parents at all. The loneliness, the uncertainty, the depression. And statistically, if you are not adopted by the time you are 5 years old, then you are not going to be adopted at all. Meaning that this is your life until the home kicks you out with its best wishes. But that is what you are advocating because you cannot bear to see a clump of cells vanish.

There are things worse than death and a loveless childhood is one of them as the suicide rate of orphans will tell you.

But seeing as you think that pregnancy is ''a mere inconvenience'' (which you as a guy can say without ever having to see for yourself ) I can see why you would think the life of an orphan is some kind of blessing.

Whereby it's not 18 years of servitude.

[clearspira]

Nine months is an inconvenience.

It is not nine months. Shipping children off to the orphanarium immediately upon birth is barely possible now, it will be actually impossible for all but the luckiest few very, very quickly under such a forced birth scenario: the state only has so much capacity for the unwanted. The sentence is at minimum 18 years until adulthood, but quite likely until you die.

Or of course an epidemic of infants in dumpsters and doorways to die of exposure, so you murdered an actual person and not mere fluid. But of course only so many will have the stealth to pull that off, tricky thing to carry for 9 months and give birth without the authorities catching wind to imprison you for it.

So no. It's a lifetime of servitude. Because you insist on attributing personhood to a non-sapient clump of cells that does not meaningfully qualify as a person.

All 50 states have safe haven laws. Drop the infant off and walk away.

Whereby... what exactly? See, I grew up without a dad. Its f-ing shit. I have total respect for single mothers because I saw my mum do it, but I still needed my dad. Ask Yuka - even with all the crap he has gone through with his father I bet he will still tell you that.
I cannot imagine what it must be like to have no parents at all. The loneliness, the uncertainty, the depression. And statistically, if you are not adopted by the time you are 5 years old, then you are not going to be adopted at all. Meaning that this is your life until the home kicks you out with its best wishes. But that is what you are advocating because you cannot bear to see a clump of cells vanish.

There are things worse than death and a loveless childhood is one of them as the suicide rate of orphans will tell you.

But seeing as you think that pregnancy is ''a mere inconvenience'' (which you as a guy can say without ever having to see for yourself ) I can see why you would think the life of an orphan is some kind of blessing.

Whereby it's not 18 years of servitude.

What does that even mean in this context? Oh and PS, for you to so casually disregard what I said means that you must have had decent parents growing up. Happy for you, but you haven't got a clue what loneliness is. You are like someone who has spent his life teetotal giving lectures to an alcoholic.

[CmdrKing]

All 50 states have safe haven laws. Drop the infant off and walk away.

You should really read this link from earlier: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/wh ... a-alabama/

"Another consequence of Romania’s abortion ban was that hundreds of thousands of children were turned over to state orphanages. When communism collapsed in Romania in 1989, an estimated 170,000 children were found warehoused in filthy orphanages. Having previously been hidden from the world, images emerged of stick-thin children, many of whom had been beaten and abused. Some were left shackled to metal bed frames."

That's what happens when forced birth dumps a bunch more infants into an ill-equipped adoption system. So if in our society our solution to "too many abortions" is "make it illegal", then logically in short order the solution to "too many orphans" would become "make it illegal to voluntarily put children in orphanages".
Strange how swiftly we can get back to 18 to life spent in servitude for having a uterus.

You can claim this is scare mongering if you like, but that assessment holds true only if people genuinely care about fetuses for their own sake. And the casual contempt and ignorance shown in the language of these laws and those who defend it towards reproduction makes that pretty hard to believe.

[Yukaphile]

I grew up without a dad, for the most part. My mother did a great job with me. At least, whatever flaws I have now are a result of myself, and not her.

And oh hey, on YouTube when talking about this, I literally got accused of endorsing child murder. Gotta love how when the right-wingers get as overemotional as they hate in left-wingers, huh?