Alabama bans abortion

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, you want less abortions? More access to contraceptives, legalize prostitution, and better sex education.

[ProfessorDetective]

Yeah, you want less abortions? More access to contraceptives, legalize prostitution, and better sex education.

Honestly, I think they just want less sex. You have almost no idea on how to have it and are severely punished for having it if/when you figure it out.

It reminds me of '1984' a bit, where you get that off-handed remark about how Big Brother is trying to breed out the ability to orgasm on top of everything else and I start to wonder how the Earth hasn't been depopulated from the lower classes having the will to live burned out of them. You destroy everything that makes life worth the hassle and hundreds of millions DON'T collectively say 'to Hell with this'? I wonder if that's not the actual end goal of all of this current madness: the slowest, most hands-off, act of genocide possible. Is it still a slaughter if the pigs stick themselves?

Damn, that got dark AND off-topic. My bad.

[clearspira]

Yeah, you want less abortions? More access to contraceptives, legalize prostitution, and better sex education.

Honestly, I think they just want less sex. You have almost no idea on how to have it and are severely punished for having it if/when you figure it out.

It reminds me of '1984' a bit, where you get that off-handed remark about how Big Brother is trying to breed out the ability to orgasm on top of everything else and I start to wonder how the Earth hasn't been depopulated from the lower classes having the will to live burned out of them. You destroy everything that makes life worth the hassle and hundreds of millions DON'T collectively say 'to Hell with this'? I wonder if that's not the actual end goal of all of this current madness: the slowest, most hands-off, act of genocide possible. Is it still a slaughter if the pigs stick themselves?

Damn, that got dark AND off-topic. My bad.

Animal Farm, 1984 and Brave New World are disturbingly prophetic. The details are fictional, but Orwell and Huxley understood the direction that humanity was going better than most. I think I owe my incredibly fatalistic and cynical world view to reading these books young. Every time I read a news story I am like ''yep, Orwell predicted that back in the 1940s.''

[Darth Wedgius]

Nine months is an inconvenience.

It is not nine months. Shipping children off to the orphanarium immediately upon birth is barely possible now, it will be actually impossible for all but the luckiest few very, very quickly under such a forced birth scenario: the state only has so much capacity for the unwanted. The sentence is at minimum 18 years until adulthood, but quite likely until you die.

Or of course an epidemic of infants in dumpsters and doorways to die of exposure, so you murdered an actual person and not mere fluid. But of course only so many will have the stealth to pull that off, tricky thing to carry for 9 months and give birth without the authorities catching wind to imprison you for it.

So no. It's a lifetime of servitude. Because you insist on attributing personhood to a non-sapient clump of cells that does not meaningfully qualify as a person.

All 50 states have safe haven laws. Drop the infant off and walk away.

Whereby... what exactly? See, I grew up without a dad. Its f-ing shit. I have total respect for single mothers because I saw my mum do it, but I still needed my dad. Ask Yuka - even with all the crap he has gone through with his father I bet he will still tell you that.
I cannot imagine what it must be like to have no parents at all. The loneliness, the uncertainty, the depression. And statistically, if you are not adopted by the time you are 5 years old, then you are not going to be adopted at all. Meaning that this is your life until the home kicks you out with its best wishes. But that is what you are advocating because you cannot bear to see a clump of cells vanish.

There are things worse than death and a loveless childhood is one of them as the suicide rate of orphans will tell you.

But seeing as you think that pregnancy is ''a mere inconvenience'' (which you as a guy can say without ever having to see for yourself ) I can see why you would think the life of an orphan is some kind of blessing.

Whereby it's not 18 years of servitude.

What does that even mean in this context? Oh and PS, for you to so casually disregard what I said means that you must have had decent parents growing up. Happy for you, but you haven't got a clue what loneliness is. You are like someone who has spent his life teetotal giving lectures to an alcoholic.

CmdKing said it would involve 18 years of solitude because giving a kid up for adoption is hard, and and my point was that giving up kids is pretty easy. My answer was precisely directed toward that context, because that was the point I was responding to.

Loneliness is bad, but there's a reason we don't shoot unadopted kids in the head on their fifth birthday.

[Darth Wedgius]

All 50 states have safe haven laws. Drop the infant off and walk away.

You should really read this link from earlier: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/wh ... a-alabama/

"Another consequence of Romania’s abortion ban was that hundreds of thousands of children were turned over to state orphanages. When communism collapsed in Romania in 1989, an estimated 170,000 children were found warehoused in filthy orphanages. Having previously been hidden from the world, images emerged of stick-thin children, many of whom had been beaten and abused. Some were left shackled to metal bed frames."

That's what happens when forced birth dumps a bunch more infants into an ill-equipped adoption system. So if in our society our solution to "too many abortions" is "make it illegal", then logically in short order the solution to "too many orphans" would become "make it illegal to voluntarily put children in orphanages".
Strange how swiftly we can get back to 18 to life spent in servitude for having a uterus.

You can claim this is scare mongering if you like, but that assessment holds true only if people genuinely care about fetuses for their own sake. And the casual contempt and ignorance shown in the language of these laws and those who defend it towards reproduction makes that pretty hard to believe.

Talk about a slippery slope. Assuming that outlawing of abortion will lead to Romania. Have you given up being serious?

[Yukaphile]

@ProfessorDetective You hit the nail on the head. They are religious crusaders who think sex is bad, but if you "feel" the need to "indulge" in such "base" behavior, get married, and have lots of kids "as the good book says." And yet they have wives and probably use contraceptives too, and I know lots of anti-choice right-wingers have been getting letting their wives abort, so yeah. They are hypocrites.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

18 years is talking about time spent for the kid, not the biological parent.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

[Yukaphile]

George Carlin's words here ring more true than ever.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Heartwarming: 3 Generation of Women at the Same Protest for Safe Abortions!
http://reductress.com/post/aww-these-th ... g-protest/