VOY - The Darkling

[clearspira]

As a sidenote. Does anyone remember the details about the Ocampa sex-life?

Yep. She has no vagina. Boy oh boy was that guy in for a surprise.

I have discussed this before, but the lack of foresight Star Trek has in its world building never ceases to amaze me. Even the slightest logic in trying to translate what we saw in ''Elogium'' into reality means that she doesn't have one and you just know that the writers did not realise what they had done. It wasn't retconned either as we see the ''back sack'' once again in ''Before and After.''

[Madner Kami]

Well, if we look at it in terms of timing, she'd be in for her Elogium at least (she's 4 years old and her species reaches Elogium between the ages of 4 and 5). But that she hasn't gone through it yet and that, even though just implied, she should have no sex-drive outside of her Elogium, leave the whole affair a bit iffy, not to highlight that fact that she has not gone through her species' moment of sexual maturation. So whatever that dude did with her, he did it with a child. How she ends up with ruffled hair the "morning after" can at least be explained with some... periphery contact that was clearly enjoyable for both, but the former... Oh dear.

[Marveryn]

you know I completely forgot that aspect of her character and am sure so did the writers. I mean they pretty much forgot a lot of stuff like how many torpedoes t hey had on the ship

[Karha of Honor]

As a sidenote. Does anyone remember the details about the Ocampa sex-life?

Yep. She has no vagina. Boy oh boy was that guy in for a surprise.

Neelix is just glad he can lick her feet.

[Robovski]

As a sidenote. Does anyone remember the details about the Ocampa sex-life?

Yep. She has no vagina. Boy oh boy was that guy in for a surprise.

Neelix is just glad he can lick her feet.

He does like his whiskers stroked...

[turbo_sailor67]

https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v861.php

This definitely falls at the weaker end of "Trek character goes evil" episodes. Even Picardo, who can typically rise above Voyager's weaker scripts and would be fairly effective as the morally dubious EMH in Equinox, feels pretty blah here.

Based on Chuck's comments, I guess a blistering review of DW's Kill the Moon is coming soon enough.

I was shocked! Shocked I tell you that he didn't give this episode a 6 (for a better than average Voyager episode). Maybe it's because I have done theater stuff (HS & college only) and I enjoy it that I wasn't turned off by what are indicated as overly and overtly theatrical aspects.

The fact that the episode draws attention to human failings (which would even apply to the EMH as a human creation) but stripping aside the technological aspects of the episode, the idea that you could just magically absorb all of the characteristics of exalted/highly respected/famous human beings, and end up with their failings too, deserves some credit.

They could have technobabble-d the issue, like the doctor made some kind of coding mistake by modifying his own code and it takes Torres and/or Paris to fix the technical error. I wouldn't have put it past them.

Oh well.

I do hope a "Kill the Moon" review is coming! I REALLY liked Peter Capaldi as the Doctor, but I HATED the material he was given. Very much in line with the comment about Enterprise with "when it was B&B doing an episode, it was at it's worst", anything by Steven Moffat I had my expectations set extremely low to start with and he would still usually beat those expectations by a country mile with how bad, bland and ridiculous the content was. This obsession with making the Doctor always have a young 'pretty modern era female companion to romance is annoying. Again, like the Voyager gothic holodeck episodes "What part of the space-ship, alien, ray-gun thing made you think 'Ah! Victorian Horror novel! It was so obvious!" same thing with DW, what part of time-traveling, wise, ancient alien that travels time and space was "Quirky, goofy and semi-competent man with modern girl, expert of all trades, romance story"

As far as I can tell, the closest DW got with a Doctor + companion romance was the belligerent sexual tension subtext between Four and Romana 1, and inherent romance bleeding onto the screen between Four and Romana II.

Eh I'm rarely on here so when I do get the time to see what others have to say about episodes I have a lot that's on my mind. That's probably what real-life romantic partners help with

[turbo_sailor67]

you know I completely forgot that aspect of her character and am sure so did the writers. I mean they pretty much forgot a lot of stuff like how many torpedoes t hey had on the ship

From accounts I read about behind the scenes at Voyager, it was less "they forgot" and more "they just didn't care." or at least that's the impression they left with anyone them who did and later spoke on the matter. The review on "Barge of the Dead" episode I think alludes to some of that behind the scenes drama.

[Meushell]

Well, if we look at it in terms of timing, she'd be in for her Elogium at least (she's 4 years old and her species reaches Elogium between the ages of 4 and 5). But that she hasn't gone through it yet and that, even though just implied, she should have no sex-drive outside of her Elogium, leave the whole affair a bit iffy, not to highlight that fact that she has not gone through her species' moment of sexual maturation. So whatever that dude did with her, he did it with a child. How she ends up with ruffled hair the "morning after" can at least be explained with some... periphery contact that was clearly enjoyable for both, but the former... Oh dear.

I don’t agree that she’s a child at that point. She doesn’t look or act like one. She was also dating Neelix long before this. Her species matures before they can have kids. 4 or 5 to have a kid actually seems way too old for species that lives 9 years.

[Deledrius]

You can't avoid Kill the Moon forever Chuck!

He certainly can! I'd rather spare him the torture, and if I never have to think about that abomination again it'd be too soon.

[clearspira]

As far as I can tell, the closest DW got with a Doctor + companion romance was the belligerent sexual tension subtext between Four and Romana 1, and inherent romance bleeding onto the screen between Four and Romana II.

I'm glad you didn't say Rose - who is the personification of ''show don't tell''. What was it that 10 saw in her above EVERY OTHER WOMAN that ever travelled with him to fall in love so quickly and spend so long getting over? Was it her constant jealousy over any other woman he spoke to? Was it how appallingly she treated Mickey? Was it how she had no problem with continuing to use the dimension hopping tech despite warnings it would destroy the universe?
Martha was actually a much better fit for 10 from what we saw, but there was that out of place Rose rebound...