Lack of masculine and masculine sounding and acting good guys on DISCO

[Karha of Honor]

No outwardly masculine character was part of Team Good for a long time.

By design or by accident?

We had a cool woke dad in Pike but nobody spoke like Riker, there was no skirt chasing fun guy like Tom Paris, gone is Sisko's uniquely masculine voice and demeanor, the pragmatic, stubborn proudly Irish masculinity of O'Brien, the warrior masculinity of Worf...

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

You've chosen a strange hill to die on. Do you want to complain about how star trek discovery is full of soy boys and cucks now?

[TheOneTrueJack]

Pike, Tyler and Hugh.

[clearspira]

No outwardly masculine character was part of Team Good for a long time.

By design or by accident?

We had a cool woke dad in Pike but nobody spoke like Riker, there was no skirt chasing fun guy like Tom Paris, gone is Sisko's uniquely masculine voice and demeanor, the pragmatic, stubborn proudly Irish masculinity of O'Brien, the warrior masculinity of Worf...

Of course it was by design. The risk that a masculine man could in any way be more liked than their STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONIST genuinely hurts the sorts of people that puts out dross like modern Trek, modern Star Wars, modern Marvel comics, modern Dr Who... modern most sci fi really. I guarantee this was an active decision in the writers' room.
Why do you think they went with the toxic masculinity plot with Poe and Holdo? The end result of that conflict was meant to show Poe (the most masculine guy in the Disney trilogy) as a hothead prick and reasonable, peaceful Holdo as misunderstood - which failed. Why do you think that Rey is shown as more heroic than Luke at every point?
That is also why someone like Jack Harkness isn't Fem Dr Who's companion.

The people that make these shows think that good writing isn't how you make quality female characters - its bringing down the male characters so we have no choice but to like them.

[clearspira]

You've chosen a strange hill to die on. Do you want to complain about how star trek discovery is full of soy boys and cucks now?

Reductio ad absurdum.

[Yukaphile]

I don't need a peacock strutting around slapping everything his massive dick all full of toxic masculinity to enjoy Star Trek. Do you mean someone like Riker or Kirk, who has an obvious eye for the ladies? I mean, that sucks, but... I don't really care. It shouldn't be a deal-breaker for a story. Especially Star Trek, where the core ethos is humanity is all equal, which includes women and men and thus, gender roles are (should, at least) be a thing of the past.

[Karha of Honor]

You've chosen a strange hill to die on. Do you want to complain about how star trek discovery is full of soy boys and cucks now?

Did you see me using those words on ths site?

What makes you sure i won't put mines on the hill and launch a sneaky counterattack? What makes you sure i will be dead?

[clearspira]

I don't need a peacock strutting around slapping everything his massive dick all full of toxic masculinity to enjoy Star Trek. Do you mean someone like Riker or Kirk, who has an obvious eye for the ladies? I mean, that sucks, but... I don't really care. It shouldn't be a deal-breaker for a story. Especially Star Trek, where the core ethos is humanity is all equal, which includes women and men and thus, gender roles are (should, at least) be a thing of the past.

Define toxic masculinity. Because wanting to bone women would not be my definition.

[Yukaphile]

Agreed. I don't think Kirk was full of it, even if he was slightly old-fashioned.

[Yukaphile]

See, my big problem with Slash's post is that it presupposes that we are slaves to our biological functions, so we need men who wear that label on their sleeve, and women who do the same, because of outdated gender roles. I know many asexual people, and past the reproductive impulses, men and women are basically the same. So I don't like having that shoved in my face. I mean, he is the kind of guy who would complain if MaRey Sue was doing the same, so... why not? It's all meaningless. Treat men and women the same, except for one you're romantically interested in, then try and be nice and respect boundaries. That's how I live my world.