Let's get down to brass tacks... (SJWs/influence in movies)

[Yukaphile]

I'm putting this here primarily because I feel, it's most relevant in this section, with sci-fi and fantasy, but if not, the mods can put it anywhere, right? Apologies if I'm wrong. With that said, let's get down to it.

Been browsing YouTube comments section, and... I feel really annoyed whenever I see people bitching about the influence of "SJWs in movies," sentiments people on this very board have expressed, so I feel I really wanna call this out/get a good discussion going on this... those whining about SJWs in movies, are imo, no different than other type of fanboy, angry the product they love isn't going their way, aren't they? Because at the end of the day, I doubt those in charge are being influenced in any way unduly by "evil SJWs ruining society" that those YouTube commentators love to regard as nebulously weaving their threads to force propaganda down their throat. No more than a company ever has been in the past. When it comes to bad PR, a corporation will try and fix it, even if that means sacrificing the employee or more than one employee. For one thing... it seems less like they're complaining about the direction those in charge are taking it, and more about demonizing the left (because they seem to hardly ever acknowledge there can be right-wing SJWs, the terms are not mutually exclusive). I mean, they/you do understand that the moviemakers ultimately make their own decisions, correct? It's not a tiny handful of hard-left fanatics forcing those in charge of Hollywood to change something to fit their agenda, those in charge, past not wanting to attract bad PR (or perhaps wanting to do so in some cases, because that sells), are free to make up their own mind. So overall, it seems less like sincere criticism and more like complaining that the world has changed, and you're feeling left behind because you're in a minority where you're too right-leaning for the world. All of which is fine, tbh. But those preaching this seem to have no genuine sense of self-awareness, as far as I see it. I think people should be honest with each other, and themselves. So in conclusion, I think the anti-SJW crowd when it comes to making movies are just another breed of entitled fanboy. Convince me otherwise.

[Mecha82]

I feel same way about this so I totally agree with what you wrote. It's why I stopped watching certain MtG youtuber when it came clear that he was just pushing his right wing agenda while playing victim when he was being "shitlord" towards anyone he deemed to be SJW and even attacking and accusing people like that one MtG cosplayer just because he felt like it.

[Yukaphile]

The irony here is I agree with most of the criticism they raise, past the politics. I agree stories in Hollywood aren't as good as they used to be, and when they're not focusing on pushing their own agenda, that they accuse the other side of doing, I can agree like 80% to 90% of the time... but once that begins, I can't help but roll my eyes at how uninformed most people are.

[Karha of Honor]

I'm putting this here primarily because I feel, it's most relevant in this section, with sci-fi and fantasy, but if not, the mods can put it anywhere, right? Apologies if I'm wrong. With that said, let's get down to it.

Been browsing YouTube comments section, and... I feel really annoyed whenever I see people bitching about the influence of "SJWs in movies," sentiments people on this very board have expressed, so I feel I really wanna call this out/get a good discussion going on this... those whining about SJWs in movies, are imo, no different than other type of fanboy, angry the product they love isn't going their way, aren't they? Because at the end of the day, I doubt those in charge are being influenced in any way unduly by "evil SJWs ruining society" that those YouTube commentators love to regard as nebulously weaving their threads to force propaganda down their throat. No more than a company ever has been in the past. When it comes to bad PR, a corporation will try and fix it, even if that means sacrificing the employee or more than one employee. For one thing... it seems less like they're complaining about the direction those in charge are taking it, and more about demonizing the left (because they seem to hardly ever acknowledge there can be right-wing SJWs, the terms are not mutually exclusive). I mean, they/you do understand that the moviemakers ultimately make their own decisions, correct? It's not a tiny handful of hard-left fanatics forcing those in charge of Hollywood to change something to fit their agenda, those in charge, past not wanting to attract bad PR (or perhaps wanting to do so in some cases, because that sells), are free to make up their own mind. So overall, it seems less like sincere criticism and more like complaining that the world has changed, and you're feeling left behind because you're in a minority where you're too right-leaning for the world. All of which is fine, tbh. But those preaching this seem to have no genuine sense of self-awareness, as far as I see it. I think people should be honest with each other, and themselves. So in conclusion, I think the anti-SJW crowd when it comes to making movies are just another breed of entitled fanboy. Convince me otherwise.

You are calling people out...

Closing it with asking people to convince you...

[Nealithi]

Well let me ask this just so there is a discussion. If you do not like the character of Rey in the Force Awakens. And you get called a misogynist for not liking her. What do you say is going on?

(And to be fair I started liking her and by the end of the movie did not. She seemed to never need anything. Rescue herself, use force powers with no training, beats a trained warrior with a weapon she has never used before and is supposed to be exceedingly difficult to use. So she felt a Mary Sue to me. And forgive me I so hope Finn is shown force sensitive in the third movie. I really do like him.)

[Yukaphile]

I wanna go on record. I think MaRey Sue is just that. A Mary Sue. But I also believe that it wasn't done maliciously, but out of sheer incompetence.

[Nealithi]

I wanna go on record. I think MaRey Sue is just that. A Mary Sue. But I also believe that it wasn't done maliciously, but out of sheer incompetence.

Thank you for agreeing. But I would like an answer to the question. Why are those that dislike her considered misogynists?

[Yukaphile]

I never accused those of hating her of being misogynists. I think those in charge are such bleeding-heart Feminist-minded liberals, they take it for granted everyone else is too, and wants to see that on screen, so again, chalk up how she's written to incompetence. Especially given how much they rushed the sequel trilogy out just to cash in. The only time you make a dash that quick is for Black Friday.

[clearspira]

I wanna go on record. I think MaRey Sue is just that. A Mary Sue. But I also believe that it wasn't done maliciously, but out of sheer incompetence.

Thank you for agreeing. But I would like an answer to the question. Why are those that dislike her considered misogynists?

Because accusing someone of being an ism or ist is normally a great way to shut down an argument with minimal effort.

[Yukaphile]

So, lazy debaters then. Don't you just hate those? The idiots who don't try to look deeper for the nuance everything has?